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  24th Apr 2012, 6:48 PM#21  QUOTE  REPORT  
barneycordell

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I absolutely love this site. It is so refreshing in this day and age that there is no talk of 'monetising' the place. This is reflected in it's general good feeling, but the greatest thing about it is the beauty of its functionality and design.

I do wonder how you cover your expenses though, which must increase as the site grows?

Thanks guys.


  24th Apr 2012, 7:37 PM#22  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deltics

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barneycordell wrote:
I absolutely love this site. It is so refreshing in this day and age that there is no talk of 'monetising' the place. This is reflected in it's general good feeling, but the greatest thing about it is the beauty of its functionality and design.
I do wonder how you cover your expenses though, which must increase as the site grows?

Thanks guys.

Particularly as it's free to join and there are no ads.
I love the fact that this website is quite obviously a labour of love made by all of us and that it has now become a major research tool in its own right.
I love the layout because it is so simple to use and navigate and with the promise of further improvements to come.
The forthcoming PM system will allow members to trade privately, and that's fine by me, but let's not turn 45cat into a marketplace. There are plenty of other websites dedicated to that.
I can only echo barneycordell's comments - I love this site and thanks, guys.

Edited by Deltics on 24th Apr 2012, 7:38 PM

  24th Apr 2012, 8:30 PM#23  QUOTE  REPORT  
immortalicide

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 41
I agree that this shouldnt become a market place. It is purely a research site and informative database to me, and thats one of the reasons i visit here so often. Also, as us members get to submit info on here, i feel we have a little "ownership" due to our small but important involvement on here, and if it was to become a commercial site, the feel of the site would be lost to all the advertising and profiteering that would then be all over it.
I love the fact that it is free too, but if it ever got to the point where the maintainence of the site was becoming costly for the admin, then maybe a small fee to access the site for a year would be a preferable option to advertisements (similar to popsike for example). Lets keep this a site for record enthusiasts and collectors rather than businessmen!!


  24th Apr 2012, 10:52 PM#24  QUOTE  REPORT  
mrformic

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I have found this site recently and like I said - Its really cool. Nevertheless, discogs has more 45's listed then 45cat, they have a well working communication system and a well accepted marketplace, which is the best alternative to ebay on the net IMO.
As some of you said, this site will grow and cost money. A marketplace is the best way to make money - much better then disturbing ads.
If 45cat would charge a monthly entrance fee.....I am sure the amount of members will not grow anymore.
I hope this site will stay as it is, free of marketplace, ads, fees. Communication between members will be much appreciated by all of us.



  24th Apr 2012, 11:05 PM#25  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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As mrformic wrote. "As some of you said, this site will grow and cost money"
Who said or wrote that?


  24th Apr 2012, 11:31 PM#26  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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Dr Doom wrote:
It's possible that we'll do 'something' quite soon but it won't be a full scale market place.

We'll be doing something to assist google hitters to find what they are after but with no direct involvement from 45cat.

We will only allow a system that doesn't spoil the current look, speed and feel of the website as it is at the moment.

:happy:





  24th Apr 2012, 11:41 PM#27  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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Thank you Doctor.


  25th Apr 2012, 12:09 AM#28  QUOTE  REPORT  
immortalicide

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mrformic wrote:
I have found this site recently and like I said - Its really cool. Nevertheless, discogs has more 45's listed then 45cat, they have a well working communication system and a well accepted marketplace, which is the best alternative to ebay on the net IMO.
Well, there is obviously no need for this to become a marketplace then is there if discogs has the market sewn up :)


  25th Apr 2012, 7:38 AM#29  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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Discogs was made live back in 2000 whereas we originated, with just a few members I hasten to add, back in 2008 ( I believe). It's no wonder that they have a larger database. Discogs is also a business whereas we are a bunch of enthusiasts with a common interest.
From my point of view I wouldn't have it any other way at the moment as I have learnt so much from this site and had a lot of fun with the banter.
As the site, database and membership grows as word gets around there will be pressure to introduce a 'fee' I am sure but I feel it will be miniscule when compared to the big picture.
I will add that this is just my opinion btw. Mick

Edited by Oakley Boys on 25th Apr 2012, 7:39 AM

  25th Apr 2012, 8:03 AM#30  QUOTE  REPORT  
mrformic

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Oakley Boys wrote:
Discogs was made live back in 2000 whereas we originated, with just a few members I hasten to add, back in 2008 ( I believe). It's no wonder that they have a larger database. Discogs is also a business whereas we are a bunch of enthusiasts with a common interest.

Discogs started exactly like 45cat. Only difference: The focus was on electronic 12"es (House, Electro, Techno...) Later on Hip Hop was added, then CD got allowed...and finally every recording medium. The "business" was added, when the place became really huge and couldn't be payed anymore by some private sponsors. Co-workers had to hired, bills for webspace had to payed, programmers as well. Btw, discogs is still a place full of enthusiasts. All data is added, reviewed and verified by members - for nothing but fun. I don't want to sound like a promoter here, just tell my story as I have experienced it.



  25th Apr 2012, 2:28 PM#31  QUOTE  REPORT  
Darktownjunkie

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 23
Translation by Bing..

I'm at http://www.musik-sammler.de (all music entered, CD, tape, vinyl, etc), Discogs and other registered. This page and music sammler.de are the only sites where it is easy to enter his data. I've stopped after 4 entries at Discogs.We there seller pages like sand on the sea and...mrformic.....sehen here only because he wants to sell records. As I see that will enter a few singles and the rest runs end dan then eh via mail or Discogs... I have seen at times his records me he wants to sell and must say Mondpreise that he wants to have some singles are more likely. OK, you want to pay such prices Yes which type. Want that these people do not like their records on eBay to sell is clear to me, only records from the 1960s and early 70eer brings money the rest is mass-produced and brings nothing more at this time. Let the seller of albums where they are among themselves. If I want to get in touch I must just leave a comment and either the other logs or not also.And I was here already 2 times to get fortunate of other records and for a really good price.And my records were also played and not once heard and then into the box. As a DJ one has bought the records according to charts and not only what they themselves liked. Mint plates are nice, but what DJ has such already at home. I ever say what wanted Oh yes other things remains first as it is and makes first, as the system to write, as well as insert the chart position at Germany between them and for the minute and second...

Ich bin bei http://www.musik-sammler.de ( Alle Musik eintragbar, CD, Tape, Vinyl usw.), Discogs und anderen angemeldet. Diese Seite und Musik-sammler.de sind die einzigsten Seiten wo es leicht ist seine Daten einzugeben. Bei Discogs habe ich nach 4 Einträgen aufgehört.Verkäufer Seiten gibt es wie Sand am Meer und ...mrformic.....sehen wir hier nur weil er Schallplatten verkaufen will. So wie ich das sehe werden ein paar Singles eingeben und dan Ende der Rest läuft dann eh über Mail oder Discogs.. Ich habe mir mal seine Platten angesehen die er verkaufen will und muss sagen das sind eher Mondpreise die er von manchen Singles haben will. Ok, soll ja welche geben die solche Preise zahlen. Das diese Leute nicht gerne ihre Schallplatten bei Ebay verkaufen wollen ist mir klar, nur Platten aus den 60ern und Anfang 70eer bringt Geld der Rest ist Massenware und bringt nichts mehr zu dieser Zeit. Lasst die Verkäufer von Schallplatten da wo sie unter sich sind. Wenn ich in Kontakt kommen will muss ich eben ein Kommentar abgeben und entweder der andere meldet sich oder auch nicht.Und ich hatte hier schon 2 mal das Glück von anderen Schallplatten zu bekommen und für einen wirklich sehr guten Preis.
Und meine Schallplatten wurden auch gespielt und nicht nur einmal angehört und dann ab in die Kiste. Als DJ hat man sich die Schallplatten nach Charts gekauft und nicht nur was man selber mochte. Mint Platten sind zwar schön, aber welcher DJ hat solche schon zuhause. So was wollte ich überhaupt sagen, ach ja bleibt erstmal so wie es ist und macht andere Sachen erstmal, wie das System sich untereinander zu schreiben, sowie bei Deutschland die Chart Position einfügen und für die Minuten und Sekundenangabe...


  25th Apr 2012, 2:50 PM#32  QUOTE  REPORT  
Steel-River-Wet

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Earlier, I said that this topic "would open up a can of worms", and I stand by that..
I've got to agree 100% with Darktownjunkie, who mentioned a Newbie in the previous post, and said (He's) "here only because he wants to sell records"..Here's a very good example.. "I would love to add them all to 45cat, but unfortunatly I have to use most of the daytime to sell records. I add many 45's to discogs database, because it is a marketplace"

If you can add 45's to Discogs, why not here??



Edited by Steel-River-Wet on 25th Apr 2012, 2:56 PM

  25th Apr 2012, 3:25 PM#33  QUOTE  REPORT  
Auto_Da_Fe

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One bit of darktownjunkie's post above that Bing hasn't made very clear:
Quote:
I ever say what wanted Oh yes other things remains first as it is and makes first, as the system to write, as well as insert the chart position at Germany between them and for the minute and second...

He's saying that other things are more worthwhile additions to site functionality than selling records; such as being able to enter German chart positions, and track timings.


  25th Apr 2012, 4:18 PM#34  QUOTE  REPORT  
Paul Vinyl

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"No Marketplace"
"No Marketplace"
It's perfect because it hasn't got a marketplace,
please don't spoil it.




  25th Apr 2012, 5:03 PM#35  QUOTE  REPORT  
mrformic

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Posts: 25
Steel-River-Wet wrote:
Earlier, I said that this topic "would open up a can of worms", and I stand by that..
I've got to agree 100% with Darktownjunkie, who mentioned a Newbie in the previous post, and said (He's) "here only because he wants to sell records".

Shame on me, I want to sell records !
So people who want to sell records are evil and worms. Interesting ! Maybe you want to think about this again. You diss record sellers, but you collect records ?
I came here for my love of 45's. I collect and I add to databases for open public. I have ASKED if there are plans for a 45cat marketplace. Please read: ASKED. I did not say I want one, or there should be one. I have tried to explain why discogs became a marketplace (A place for evil worms like me).
Btw., I also sell new released 45's, there is life after 60's-80's.
I am working for people like you, not against them.
Darktownjunkie (and all others), if you see things in my list you want to own, but you don't like my Mondpreise, you are invited to make an offer anytime. I am easy to deal with.



  25th Apr 2012, 5:40 PM#36  QUOTE  REPORT  
immortalicide

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Paul Vinyl wrote:
"No Marketplace"
"No Marketplace"
It's perfect because it hasn't got a marketplace,
please don't spoil it.
Agreed, and thats coming from someone who is a record dealer!!
There are plenty of outlets to sell stuff, this is like a little bit of calm among all the storms haha. It is a place that has a charm due to its feel of being "by music fans, for music fans".
There is a site which is massive and has maintained its free status and is really informative that has never had to add adverts or become a market place, but it does have a discreet little link on every band page that links to adverts which TBH you dont even notice as you browse it and i think that works fine. The site is www.metal-archives.com and has grown over the years into the definitive metal database, and i see no reason why this site sholdnt be any different.


  25th Apr 2012, 5:44 PM#37  QUOTE  REPORT  
immortalicide

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mrformic wrote:
I hope this site will stay as it is, free of marketplace, ads, fees. Communication between members will be much appreciated by all of us.
:)


  25th Apr 2012, 6:34 PM#38  QUOTE  REPORT  
a p mac

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my guess is that no one is calling anyone a worm "open a can of worms"
an expression that means get involved in something that is likely to get out of control
one possible solution is add what you want to sell to the database
if anyone adds it to there want list send them a message to say you are prepared to sale it
that way any transactions are kept between buyer and seller with 45 cat not involved


  25th Apr 2012, 7:30 PM#39  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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quote="mrformic"]
Steel-River-Wet wrote:
Earlier, I said that this topic "would open up a can of worms", and I stand by that..
I have tried to explain why discogs became a marketplace (A place for evil worms like me).

FROM MICK

Hi mrformic, as stated 'opening up a can of worms' is not an expression to insult people. The other expression 'lost in translation' comes to mind here. It basically means 'If you 'open a can of worms', you [often unexpectedly] set in motion or discover something that has wide-reaching consequences.' (wikipedia). :happy:

You're point is taken and I fully accept your recount of Discogs. It has been stated that links to items, that you want to dispose of, sounds the best way to go forward and I hope that this is ok with you.


Edited by Oakley Boys on 25th Apr 2012, 7:33 PM

  25th Apr 2012, 10:16 PM#40  QUOTE  REPORT  
Steel-River-Wet

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a p mac wrote:
my guess is that no one is calling anyone a worm "open a can of worms"
(it's) an expression that means "get involved in something that is likely to get out of control"

Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to say.






Edited by Steel-River-Wet on 25th Apr 2012, 10:16 PM

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