In Time i may buy a watch. Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 267
just in fun this thread is really interesting if only i went to law school i know that we have to be carefull and diligent and we are all i hope not in this for any commercial gain as i can vouch for myself that in my early years my collection cost a pretty packet and i have helped many artists and RCompanys to live the high life surely they can see that.
I used to hurry a lot, I used to worry a lot Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 367 Moderator
As an ex-designer/art director, I was under the impression that (especially for picture sleeves) the copyright remained with the designer or photographer, unless the party commissioning the work requested an invoice to include copyright. Obviously, this doesn't apply to in-house design.
We seem to be talking about two things here. 1. Label shots that come from long gone companies.Owners probably dead by now and their masters and music publishing bought out by various multi national conglomorates and lay in a fireproof bunker somewhere while those multi nationals cut costs by getting rid of the archive staff....and would those multi nationals ever attempt to sue people who use ancient images of a company under their ownership
Answer.. The greedy buggers probably would given half a chance.
2. Label shots that come from long gone companies.Owners probably dead by now and someone like me has bought one of their forgotten relics for next to nothing and taken a picture of it to show people with similar interests what it looks like...and do I give a crap if someone in the near future uses my little picture???
I personally wish them well if it saves them the time and energy involved scanning...nothing at all against them using my pic at all...I'll probably use one of theirs in the future and hope they're not that other sort who scream "Hey you've stolen my picture!!!!"
It's a structure not a strait-jacket Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3194 Moderator
Well said, Keith. I'd bet it's down to some jobsworth lawyer attempting to justify their being paid their, no doubt, large salary.
The actual monetary value of scans is minute - certainly not enough to pay
a lawyer. Is the SMDB government funded, either wholly or in part by the
Swedish government ?
Seems to me that their legal dept. is frustrating the whole point of there
being an archive which is to disseminate knowledge. If I was in Sweden I'd be
writing to my MP. I understand you won't want to get off on the wrong side of
the SMDB's archivists .. I suspect they feel the say way we do but are being
railroaded by lawyers ... and I'm speaking as somebody who studied Scots law for three years.
Fabgear and 'i' partially so. As US copyright slightly different to UK and in US I understand for a paid for photographic pose etc the copyright passes from the photographer to the subject. A photographer used ( with permission from the subject ) a sample in his portfolio , this got picked up on the net and copied into a painting , although the photographer said to artist OK to use , the photographer did not have the right to grant copy permission .
I was so much older then I'm younger than that now Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 2920
Just to clarify, my comment earlier today is not in anyway to be taken as any kind of opinion I have on the subject, but is just an article I came across in the "i" newspaper today and thought may be of interest to others regarding the topic of copyright. Having said that, I'm enjoying reading the varied comments from fellow 45catters on this subject.
If I Could Turn Back Time Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 2889 Moderator
A thought has just occured to me. If the record companies claimed back all their promotional stuff ..then what would they do with it? They can't sell it, it's 'not for sale'. And even if they did sell it, would they then claim it all back again? The only things that they could do are store thousands of promotional items (very costly) or destroy said items ( costly, bad for the environment, wasteful, destroying historical items)
I believe there are a number of books around already that have images of record labels. Also what about re-use of music publications - though most press images would have been in black and white , licencing of those images is normally easier via one of the image royalty collection societies