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  1st Jul 2011, 3:22 PM#21  QUOTE  REPORT  
kokodog

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  1st Jul 2011, 3:34 PM#22  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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I never want to hear the word 'dinked' again.

:grin:

Seriously though, there's no way we can force people to use a set vinyl lexicon and the mods have enough to do without editing large centre hole to dinked or what-not.

People can use whatever terms they want so long as they make sense (usually there are scans so it'll be easy enough to work out)

Here's what I say...

Large centre hole.
(although I wouldn't bother mentioning that on a US 45 as it goes without saying 99% of the time)



Push out centre (3 prong or four prong or tri)

Solid centre.



and if a centre has been puched out then N.O.C. (No original centre)



I think these are all pretty easy to comprehend but folks seem to have pretty strong opinions on what terms they like to use so I'm not even going to attempt to force a standard.

Can we talk about good records and music now?

:thumbsup:

Edited by Dr Doom on 1st Jul 2011, 3:38 PM

  1st Jul 2011, 3:37 PM#23  QUOTE  REPORT  
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  1st Jul 2011, 5:07 PM#24  QUOTE  REPORT  
billstiggins

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Let's not forget the 'real' push-out centres :pleased:



Or should that be "replaceable"?


  1st Jul 2011, 6:18 PM#25  QUOTE  REPORT  
Col Wolfe

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Dr Doom wrote:
I never want to hear the word 'dinked' again.

:grin:

Seriously though, there's no way we can force people to use a set vinyl lexicon and the mods have enough to do without editing large centre hole to dinked or what-not.

People can use whatever terms they want so long as they make sense (usually there are scans so it'll be easy enough to work out)

Here's what I say...

Large centre hole.
(although I wouldn't bother mentioning that on a US 45 as it goes without saying 99% of the time)



Push out centre (3 prong or four prong or tri)

Solid centre.



and if a centre has been puched out then N.O.C. (No original centre)



I think these are all pretty easy to comprehend but folks seem to have pretty strong opinions on what terms they like to use so I'm not even going to attempt to force a standard.

Can we talk about good records and music now?

:thumbsup:

YES!!!!!


  1st Jul 2011, 7:22 PM#26  QUOTE  REPORT  
bigtom

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I'll dink to that.


  4th Jul 2011, 11:55 PM#27  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deltics

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Judging by the conversation/debate going on here: REP 1078 maybe we should include spiders or adapters into the topic.


  7th Jul 2011, 10:21 AM#28  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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Moved from comments

Quote groovemaster.dj


Most US 45's are just left LH die-cut and yes a LH adaptor or LH cone adaptor are normally used on turntables only autoplayers or multi-functional turntables like a Garrard would have a stack post.

The USA record 45 rpm adaptors were invented on a remit from David Sarnhoff @ RCA so that all US 45's could now play on a standard small spindle auto changer for 12" amd 10" the adaptors have three protruding lugs or nipples and these are called driving pins and do the same function as our UK anti slip ridges do. the Pins interlock against each other to help prevent the smooth records from slipping when on an autoghanger.

The adaptors do not have enough force to stay in place and so the legs have to be bent (carefully) to make the leg longer and grip the die-cut edges.
These USA adaptors are enot spiders and are not called spiders. They are RCA- 45 rpm adaptors.

The 45 rpm adaptors that were designed and manufactured by Phonogram when they went over to LH Die-cut pressings late 1960's these were superior to the USA ones in that they had and kept a tight grip aand did not dislodge or fall out easily and it is these not unlike a letter Y that are spiders and were called spiders by Phonogram and we had to fit them as retailers to every die-cut LH 45 we sold.

Phonogram supplied them in bags with the boxes of singles The first UK die cut LH that I recall both seeing and then having to fit a spiders to was Dave Dee Dozey etc Legend Of Zanadu Fontana, (I managed to get a 3 pin dinked copy for myself).

The USA adaptors are called 45 rpm adaptors circa 1950 (world wide)

The UK adaptors from Phonogram circa 1968 (manditory UK then available pan Europe) are called Spiders

Spiders should never be fitted to USA Canadian Japan or Jamacian 45's

Spiders should be fitted to all UK die-cut LH's from 1968 to 1986 when they ceased production by Pollygram.. Naturally the USA adaptors came back on to the UK.for die-cuts.

There has been a serious resergence of LH die-cut 7" here in the UK and naturally the USA 45 rpm adaptors go with these.and come in a serious range of colours and are I have to say iconic, where the Phonogram Spiders are not and never have been!


I really don't know if LH die-cut scans look better with or without it's appropiate applicable adaptor inserted. I like the look of them in personally as I also seriously prefer 4 or 3 pin dinked 45's over un-dinked or small hole SH. ( I find the term "sold centre" rather silly as it implies there is no hole at all ie it's solid, or that IMHO indeed the record should have had a hole (or two) either in the middle of a 3 or 4 pin dinked copy or just a die-cut LH very much each to his or her own I guess)

I think we did the terminology but hey-ho we are still getting press-outs push-out centres solid centres dinked where the record scanned is clearly a LH die-cut and so on,

I can only state how it is industry-wise and factually a die-cut is just that a die-cut large hole 1 1/2" as are the 3" holes in generic sleeves they are called die-cut die-cut sleeves (not dinked sleeves)

Dinked records are not strictly die-cut persay as the blade and block are shaped to cut-out - dink specific areas to leave a fixed area that then looks like a 3 or 4 pin centre round or tri-angle (3 pin) and thus the centre has been dinked (specific areas cut-out removed dinked) and originally refered to as an "Optionl Centre" OC as it can be removed) die-cut would be a complete circle or hole there is nothing dinked on there as the whole area of 1 1/2" has been? DIE-CUT

I really hope this helps one and all and makes it simple and clear. and we can leave the wrong or miss informed terminology where it belongs on wikkapedia or even better in the bin>

45 rpm adaptor USA circa 1950 - to date

USA commercial 7" 45's 1 1/2" LH Die-Cut 1949 - to date RCA patented and in law

USA commercial 7" 33 1/3 standard small hole 1950 Columbia patented and in law

UK Large Hole 1 1/2" + USA 45 rpm Adaptor 1953 - 1955 (optional)

UK Large Hole 1 1/'2" + Spider supplied 45 rpm adaptor circa 1968 - 1986 Phonogram Holland paitented UK and pan Europe

UK dinked 7" 45 leaving an OC Optional Centre 3 pin round or triangle 4 pin round or square circa 1954 onwards

UK un-dinked 7" industry standard small hole 5" 6" 7" 10" 12"



  7th Jul 2011, 3:26 PM#29  QUOTE  REPORT  
bill mann

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Dr Doom - I've just read your last posting.Wow ! I'm gonna have to sit down for 10 minutes and clear my head, which is currenty spinning at 78rpm.


  7th Jul 2011, 4:11 PM#30  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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bill mann wrote:
Dr Doom - I've just read your last posting.Wow ! I'm gonna have to sit down for 10 minutes and clear my head, which is currenty spinning at 78rpm.

Not guilty!

That was groovemaster.dj's comment which I moved over from a T.Rex record.

: )


  7th Jul 2011, 4:45 PM#31  QUOTE  REPORT  
bill mann

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Apologies Dr Doom, Should look closer in future before putting pen to paper, I noticed to late that it wasn't your posting. Still a lot to take in though !


  15th Mar 2012, 7:23 PM#32  QUOTE  REPORT  
Strawberry_Lynn

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Well, here's an old thread that I found whilst researching Cilla Black singles!

Has anyone came across a DIY Dinking Tool, as illustrated on Photobucket (see posts Nos. 16 & 17, posted by KeithS).

When I say 'dinking', I mean taking a solid centre 7" and turning it into a three or four pronged perforated centre


  15th Mar 2012, 8:17 PM#33  QUOTE  REPORT  
Paul Vinyl

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bigtom wrote:
I'll dink to that.

Lol :grin:


  11th May 2012, 3:10 PM#34  QUOTE  REPORT  
AnthonyMA

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Dr Doom wrote:
Moved from comments

Quote groovemaster.dj

Most US 45's are just left LH die-cut and yes a LH adaptor or LH cone adaptor are normally used on turntables <snip>

Is this article helpful?


Edited by moderator on 11th May 2012, 3:17 PM

  12th May 2012, 1:11 AM#35  QUOTE  REPORT  
The_Vinyl_Junkie

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Thanks AnthonyMA, I found that very interesting . I recently obtained some 45's with the first adaptor made in the U.S. They are metalic and very heavy, they weigh more than the record.



  12th May 2012, 8:00 AM#36  QUOTE  REPORT  
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The_Vinyl_Junkie wrote:
Thanks AnthonyMA, I found that very interesting . I recently obtained some 45's with the first adaptor made in the U.S. They are metalic and very heavy, they weigh more than the record.

Are they like this...



Any clues as to how to get them out?


  12th May 2012, 8:25 AM#37  QUOTE  REPORT  
KeithS

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Some old answers from a vinyl site
practice on junk records before attempting to take these out of something valuable. you can easily crack a 50s brittle 45.
1.Sort of a trick, I guess. I don't know, I just seem to be able to do it fairly effortlessly now, whereas in the beginning those things would drive me crazy trying to get them out. The way I do it is to use some light pressure near one of the "spokes", pressing in towards the record, which putting some pressure on the flip side on an opposing spoke. With trial and error, you'll get it, but one thing is for sure - it's not a brute force thing (we've all seen the results of that approach).

2. I never have a problem getting these out but it comes with a bit of practice.
What I do is bend the record, and while it is bent place my thumbs on the adaptor and apply enough pressure to force it to move up, down or sideways. Once it moves a touch, you're home.
You will be surprised at how much you can bend a record without snapping it, but don't go crazy! You'll see the fruits of this method quickly.

Personally I'd enlist the help of Black & Decker


  12th May 2012, 4:53 PM#38  QUOTE  REPORT  
Bobzyeruncle

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The B side seems appropriate in this particular thread :-D


  12th May 2012, 8:51 PM#39  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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Would placing it in the fridge help , assuming the metal will contract faster than plastic and hoping the plastic wont get more brittle ?


  13th May 2012, 4:50 PM#40  QUOTE  REPORT  
The_Vinyl_Junkie

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Dr Doom wrote
Quote:
Are they like this...

This is the one



Edited by The_Vinyl_Junkie on 13th May 2012, 4:51 PM

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