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  24th Nov 2011, 11:11 AM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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Hi Everyone,

Leonard's comment here has given me the little push needed to try and explain a new change in the website.

We are currently testing a brand new improved search engine which will mean that we'll have to create less separate entries for 45s with only minor variations.

Previously this single



Would be entered as 45-LON-910

and this single



Would have a separate entry as 45-910

This has always been a bit of a pain but the old search engine was so strict about catalogue numbers that it was the only way you could be sure of finding either if you searched that way.

I'm pleased to say that the new search will mean that we can merge both (slight) variations into one entry on the database. Simply mention in notes or as a comment something like Slight catalogue variations exist - 45-910 and 45-LON-910 and the new search engine will find either.

The new search engine is far looser and more text based. With so many American 45s being added (with simple catalogue numbers like 1001, 101, 501) we'll need to find other ways of quickly locating the 45 we want to look up.

The moderators are testing the new search at the moment and it seems to be working really well so it'll hopefully be LIVE within the next couple of weeks.

Basically the important point to get across is that we're moving away from the strict guide that 'A new entry must be made for every variation'

From now on a new entry will only be necessary if there is a major difference between it and another issue of the same 45 i.e. an alternate B-side, Mono/Stereo promotional issues, Double packs, picture discs, 'special editions' with patches etc. etc.

I hope all this makes sense - it'll all become clearer once the new search goes live.

: )

Edited by moderator on 30th Mar 2012, 1:40 AM

  30th Nov 2011, 12:19 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
Orbiting Cat

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The new search engine is now live! Hopefully you'll find searching for things on 45cat a bit easier.

The main change is that searches are now targeted on records, with artist, label, comment and forum post results shown below that.

The record search should also find any cat#, composers, tracks etc. However these are still available as specialist separate searches, using the drop-down menu.


  30th Nov 2011, 12:34 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
janiejjones

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I like what I see now very much! Nicer and easier than before.


  30th Nov 2011, 1:28 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
Getalife

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Great job, well done. So much more info from just one search.


  30th Nov 2011, 7:43 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
JPGR&B

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Great new search engine. Well done guys.


  30th Nov 2011, 8:11 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
bigtom

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Looks good now will it help with my little wants list.


  30th Nov 2011, 9:05 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
LaurenceD

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This is terrific. Exactly what I was hoping for.


  1st Dec 2011, 11:29 AM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
Joe M'Geek

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On first look, I'm not really feeling it.

I know it's probably just a question of getting used to the changes, but for example, I was just searching for Mike Love (to post a picture of the horrific pic sleeve of 'jingle bell rock' somewhere) .

The first result I got was a bunch of scattered 'mike''s and 'love's - obviously completely unrelated to what I wanted

Then I figured the 'artist' drop down thing, found his page, but the default was set to German singles, which I didn't expect, as it's not something that I've noticed on any other artist page.

In the end I just had to google what I wanted plus 45cat, whereas before, I would have just gone 'mike love', click, copy, post.

Now admittedly, I'm not very observant, but might I suggest making the default setting of the drop down menu 'artist', and the default setting on any artist page either the UK singles or 'all'?

To be honest, without judicious use of quotations, I can't really see the need for an 'all'...surely most people are either going to search for an artist or possibly a song title?

Edited by Joe M'Geek on 1st Dec 2011, 11:30 AM

  1st Dec 2011, 12:06 PM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
Orbiting Cat

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Joe M'Geek wrote:
To be honest, without judicious use of quotations, I can't really see the need for an 'all'...surely most people are either going to search for an artist or possibly a song title?
Nah, people were searching for eg Doors Light My Fire which would find zero results, as there are no artists or songs called that.
Joe M'Geek wrote:
the default was set to German singles, which I didn't expect... might I suggest making the default setting on any artist page either the UK singles or 'all'
We don't want to make it completely UK centric as it's an international site. If Germany was listed first then that means that artist has more German records lsit than from other countries.
Joe M'Geek wrote:
I know it's probably just a question of getting used to the changes, but for example, I was just searching for Mike Love (to post a picture of the horrific pic sleeve of 'jingle bell rock' somewhere) .
With the new search you can type Mike Love Jingle Bell and that finds it no problem.

Good you've raised this as it's worth emphasising, you can now search by stating both the artist and track title, which helps narrow a search much quicker.

PS feedback always welcome, good or bad :)

Edited by Orbiting Cat on 1st Dec 2011, 12:08 PM

  1st Dec 2011, 12:07 PM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
sladesounds

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Joe it does take a little bit of getting used to but with a search typed as Mike Love you'll see right at the top (under the search box) a link to the artist Mike Love as the best match.

A bit more info typed as mike love jingle bell rock or just mike love jingle will bring back a tighter match to what you were looking for.


Edited by sladesounds on 1st Dec 2011, 12:10 PM

  1st Dec 2011, 1:32 PM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
KeithS

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I was doing something on ? and the mysterions and put in ? and "artist"..didnt work


  1st Dec 2011, 1:42 PM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
Orbiting Cat

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KeithS wrote:
I was doing something on ? and the mysterions and put in ? and "artist"..didnt work
1 and 2 letter words don't search, unless they are an exact match. This is to do with the underlying database we use. I'm looking into whether it's possible to override this...


  1st Dec 2011, 2:13 PM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
davie gordon

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Keith, it's "mysterians" not "mysterions"


  1st Dec 2011, 2:44 PM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
KeithS

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I was thinking of Captain Scarlet and the mysterons


  2nd Dec 2011, 11:12 PM#15  QUOTE  REPORT  
Joe M'Geek

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Having got used to the changes, I can see that in fact, I am a simpleton, and these changes are an improvement

One suggestion still remains though- There are at the moment equal numbers of UK and German Mike Love 45s, but the German ones still come up first (alphabetical I guess?)

Maybe 'all' as default would be a bit clearer as a general rule? That'd keep the search results more consistent from artist to artist, and things could be narrowed down from there if so desired.


  30th Dec 2011, 11:39 PM#16  QUOTE  REPORT  
LaurenceD

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I have a suggestion for a possible enhancement. I often use the 'Track' query to look for a specific release, for instance to make sure that I'm not posting a duplicate. When the title in question was released in several countries (e.g. Hard Day's Night), it can involve many clicks to find the one I'm after, or to confirm that it does not exist. I think that a bit more information in the results would be helpful, such as the country, or label, or both.


  15th Jun 2012, 7:48 PM#17  QUOTE  REPORT  
LaurenceD

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I'm not sure when it happened, but now I see that the Label column has been added to the Track search. Thanks! :thumbsup:


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