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  3rd Feb 2012, 12:58 PM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
Steel-River-Wet

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If a label states RCA Victor should it have a separate entry (for example RCA 2047) as opposed to RCA?


Edited by Steel-River-Wet on 16th Apr 2013, 9:29 AM

  3rd Feb 2012, 1:03 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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I'm going to merge RCA and RCA Victor into one label at some point as it's chaos right now.

It's a bit silly to have them as individual labels I think.


  3rd Feb 2012, 1:37 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
Steel-River-Wet

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Thank you. Perfect!


  3rd Feb 2012, 6:42 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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I'd always go for 'RCA Victor', as that's what it says on the label. After all, other RCA labels, such as 'RCA Red Seal' or 'RCA Bluebird' (to take just two examples) are listed separately. If the label ONLY states 'RCA', then 'RCA' it is, in my book. Otherwise....


  3rd Feb 2012, 11:03 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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The reason why I questioned this back in March 2011 is that starting in 1969, the US releases (with the Orange label) say RCA Victor on the stock copies....but just RCA on the promo's!!! this lasts until 1975 (and it's confusing to some)...John


  3rd Feb 2012, 11:12 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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That RCA inconsistency is bizarre, John. Can see why there's such confusion now! Personally, I'd still tend to go for 'RCA Victor' as that was what the majority (i.e. the stock copies) had printed on the label but can nevertheless understand the 'different label/release' argument, given what you've just pointed out.

Now I'm the pedant to end all pedants but, in this RCA/RCA Victor case, I think even 'super stickler for strict accuracy' me would tend to lump them both under one banner/record company. But hey, it's only my personal gut feeling and preference, as I think it will make for easier reference and research for others. Many might, as is their perfect right of course, disagree.

What does everybody else think?


  4th Feb 2012, 5:44 AM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
sixtiesbeat

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What about their annoying policy of putting "RCA" within the catalog number? Did they ever not do that?



  4th Feb 2012, 7:40 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
sporidium

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Is it really that annoying? Plenty of other labels did that, especially in the UK (CBS, EMI, Arista...).


  4th Feb 2012, 9:24 PM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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sixtiesbeat, In the UK, only with the short-lived APB0 and LPB0 series of 1974...John




  6th Jun 2012, 11:04 AM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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This reply is a little bit late, but I think it would be better to separate RCA and RCA Victor. As I said somewhere else. It feels better to add what's really on the label, and it differs also between countries.
Just an opinion.
Thanks.


  6th Jun 2012, 11:15 AM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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lorangrecords wrote:
This reply is a little bit late, but I think it would be better to separate RCA and RCA Victor. As I said somewhere else. It feels better to add what's really on the label, and it differs also between countries.
Just an opinion.
Thanks.

The problem is that some folks type records in as RCA and some as RCA Victor.

People will keep doing this.

Once the discographies are complete we can auto-change to one or the other, or a combination if that's applicable.

They are esentially the same record label so it's surely no problem to have them merged.

I mean some folks type His Master's Voice and some folks HMV / H.M.V.

Both are correct...






  6th Jun 2012, 11:29 AM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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OK.
No problem for me, but I still like to add what's written on the label.
One problem can be if there's no label picture for the release.
Sometimes threr's also written RCA on the cover, and RCA Victor on the label.
Let's add on.
Thanks for quick answer Doc.


  6th Jun 2012, 11:47 PM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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It's Nipper's fault....blame it on the dog! :laugh: ...John


  10th Jul 2012, 6:23 PM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
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We have another problem with RCA, in that entries for the APB0 series have been put in under APBO (the same may have happen with LPB0, I haven't checked). Probably the best we can do is to change them when we stumble across them - unless someone really does have too much time on their hands!

Edited by TheJudge on 10th Jul 2012, 6:23 PM

  10th Jul 2012, 8:58 PM#15  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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Judge, I took a tour through the US APB0 and LPB0 RCA's and tidied them all up (even the US export issues)...John


  10th Jul 2012, 9:37 PM#16  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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If you see this scans of the label, and don't KNOW that the prefix ia PPB0, then it's impossible to print anything else but PPBO. I've done this mistake over and over again myself.
Thanks.


  23rd Nov 2012, 9:12 PM#17  QUOTE  REPORT  
seanbss

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The collector manual is the RRPG and this lists all 1st issues, e.g. TRIs, and later round centre repressings on RCA and then on RCA Victor. To 99% if not 100% of collectors the RRPG is the record collectors bible and my view is that if this lists them separately then they should be listed separately.

I have no problem with variants of round centres with same cat. no. being grouped together with regards to images if there are only small changes, such as type print or other small label changes, e.g. record speed or not.


  24th Nov 2012, 9:55 AM#18  QUOTE  REPORT  
Felonious

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RRPG is no longer if it ever was the collector's bible, It might still be the Bible in Oxfam and other charity shops but the Internet with e Bay and Popsike is replacing it. Other bibles are available such as John Manship's guide and Goldmine. Their main purpose is to put a value on 45s.

That's not the purpose of this free to access database. which is used by fans of the 45, the general public, and record collectors to find out and add to information on singles.

Other than that the RRPG does it I see no reason for changing how we group 45s with tri pronged, triangular, 4 pronged, large holes and solid centre with small holes.

Then again as my mother would have said if RRPG lists HLU 10486 would you jump in it.



  24th Nov 2012, 11:41 PM#19  QUOTE  REPORT  
seanbss

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Unfortunately, your argument fails in that Goldmine is the US Collectors Guide, RRPG is the UK equivalent and whilst I don't agree with everything they say, I believe that mine and most collectors wants lists were generated from this - including all the reissues and repressings.

As regards, John Manship's Guide - I have never heard of it, whereas RRPG I have been aware of since I started collecting.

Surely the basis of finding out and adding information on singles should include how they are grouped and what precise labels they are on?

That said maybe the answer would be add to add 'duplicate' as an option on people's wants lists so that they can add reissues etc. on their own lists rather than on the database itself?


  16th Apr 2013, 9:26 AM#20  QUOTE  REPORT  
Steel-River-Wet

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Felonious wrote:
RRPG is no longer if it ever was the collector's bible, It might still be the Bible in Oxfam and other charity shops but the Internet with e Bay and Popsike is replacing it.

Gotta agree with Felonious !00%.
I had a look at one in a public library a few years back, and mumbled "loada sh*te" when I saw some of the prices my records were SUPPOSED to be worth. (Some others, which ARE rare, weren't even listed) I mean, rare as in short runs of records, not price wise..
Had another look quick look at an old copy in a jumble sale a few days ago..still didn't agree with the info I read.. second and last time I'll look at this book.



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