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  18th Mar 2012, 11:12 PM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
Strawberry_Lynn

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Like most people on here, I like my records to be bagged in a company sleeve that matches the record label and I particularly dislike plain white paper sleeves.

Unfortunately, some record companys didn't issue their records in a branded sleeve, simply a plain white one. One culprit that springs to mind is Fly records, home of T. Rex, World War 3, Joe Cocker, The Move and others

Sometime in the 1980's, Fly company sleeves retrospectively became available. They were plain black with a similar fly-in-a-circle logo which featured on early Fly releases (Bug 1 to Bug 7). Who printed them up and where they were available from, I do not know.

Also released in a plain white sleeve was Telegram Sam by T. Rex, the first single released on the T. Rex label. The following release - Metal Guru - saw changes to that label:

1) Colour went from light blue to dark blue
2) Catalogue No. format changed (from T-REX 101 to MARC 1)
3) T. Rex logo went from large font to small font

This release had a matching paper sleeve, as did subsequent releases

What I'd like to see from an enterprising replica sleeve manufacturer is more retrospectively designed company sleeves made available for records that never had a company sleeve in the first place! Like the ones mentioned in paragraph 3. A nice start would be:

1) A lilac sleeve with Fly logo for Bug 1
2) A mustard sleeve with Fly logo for Bugs 2 to 7
3) A black sleeve with revised Fly logo for Bugs 8 to 18
4) A light blue sleeve to go with T-REX 101

Too much to hope for, but I can always dream! But can I ask the readership these two questions:

1) Is there a market out there for retrospectively designed company sleeves, or would I be the only buyer
2) Please mention other record companies that only issued in the dreaded plain white sleeves, or someone else's (I believe that some companies used Phonograph sleeves)

Thanks



  18th Mar 2012, 11:29 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
Paul Vinyl

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My Telgram Sam came in the Blue & White T.Rex Sleeve. :smile:


  19th Mar 2012, 7:29 AM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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Point 2:-
Atlantic & Track spring to mind from the '60's. I believe the original white sleeve had a wavy cut at the top however so are, to some degree, distinguishable.


  19th Mar 2012, 9:47 AM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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What I'd like to see from an enterprising replica sleeve manufacturer is more retrospectively designed company sleeves made available for records that never had a company sleeve in the first place! Like the ones mentioned in paragraph 3. A nice start would be:

1) A lilac sleeve with Fly logo for Bug 1
2) A mustard sleeve with Fly logo for Bugs 2 to 7
3) A black sleeve with revised Fly logo for Bugs 8 to 18
4) A light blue sleeve to go with T-REX 101

Too much to hope for, but I can always dream! But can I ask the readership these two questions:

1) Is there a market out there for retrospectively designed company sleeves, or would I be the only buyer


Amen to that, Strawberry Lynn! I already spend a fortune at Covers33 - as many no doubt do - obtaining sleeves but this company obviously doesn't 'create' sleeves like thoose you suggest above. As a long-time dedicated collector of Fly and T.Rex labels, I'd definitely buy the above (examples 1-3), if they were ever manufactured.

You were unlicky with your purchase of 'Telegram Sam' however, as most got it in the matching blue/red company sleeve that came with all the other releases (apart from red/white for 'Children Of The Revolution', of course).


  19th Mar 2012, 5:37 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
Wronskian

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Perhaps I'm unusual but I'd rather have a plain white sleeve than a replica sleeve - to me, the replica sleeves just feel too wrong. (I acknowledge that they've got much better in the last few years but they still seem too crisp and the paper/cutting isn't quite right.) Am I alone in that thought?


  19th Mar 2012, 5:48 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
stiffone

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http://www.bigboppa.co.uk/shop/

http://45-sleeves.com/

Maybe these can help?

Edited by moderator on 19th Mar 2012, 7:29 PM

  19th Mar 2012, 9:32 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
billstiggins

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Wronskian wrote:
Perhaps I'm unusual but I'd rather have a plain white sleeve than a replica sleeve - to me, the replica sleeves just feel too wrong. (I acknowledge that they've got much better in the last few years but they still seem too crisp and the paper/cutting isn't quite right.) Am I alone in that thought?
You're not alone :grin:

I'd prefer an original company sleeve, then a period white sleeve (as many 45s were sold with anyway). Beyond that, a new white sleeve, but never a repro sleeve; what's the point? You wouldn't buy a reproduction single would you?


  19th Mar 2012, 9:42 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
Paul Vinyl

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When I buy singles now in charity shops or car boot sales I sometimes just buy them for the old company sleeve.
I would never buy a repro sleeve


  20th Mar 2012, 11:02 AM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
The Toad

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In times of boredom I used occasionally to fake sleeve designs for labels I liked (and design my own labels, but that's another story). In these days of decent scanners it's not hard to do. Admittedly when I printed them out they only looked convincing from a distance, but if you could plan out ones for your Fly releases and put them on to a memory stick I dare say a printer would run off a few dozen for you and make a better job of it than I did.


  22nd Mar 2012, 4:26 PM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
Jrda0406

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if anybody is feeling entrepreneurial, or creative, I too demand these products.
I hope someone can supply these to fulfill our demand.


  22nd Mar 2012, 5:39 PM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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About 30 years ago a friend of mine bought about 500 yellow 45 rpm sleeves...we were thinking (and this is before the age of scanners) that there are a lot of yellow label companies in the USA that didn't have company sleeves at all....(Never did this project, it would be a lot easier now)....the labels selected were ....Red Bird, Abnak, Autumn, Kama Sutra, Double Shot and Sire.......John

Edited by moderator on 22nd Mar 2012, 5:39 PM

  11th Sep 2012, 10:23 AM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
Electric Worrier

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It would have been great if those T.Rex Fly singles had come in a company sleeve. The later logo was such a beautiful one, it would have looked terrific. Don't know where I stand on repro sleeves. Would probably buy them just to have, but an original is so much more evocative.
Does anyone know where the repro T. Rex label covers come from?

Edited by Electric Worrier on 30th Jul 2013, 10:10 AM

  11th Sep 2012, 11:03 AM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
nboldock

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I've never bought repro sleeves though I quite like the idea. The cost puts me off a little.

I have quite a few singles in the WRONG company sleeves (mostly charity shop purchases and the like) and I've just started slowly trying to swap them over to a record that at least has the right label to match the sleeve. I haven't really got the time to make a concerted effort though so it might take a while! I've also started putting aside spare ones so that when the opportunity arises I can match them up with something appropriate.

Truth be told in the past I never really bothered WHAT sleeve they were in but since the re-ignition of my vinyl obsession (and in particular, the influence of this here website) I'm starting to get a bit finicky... I have at least LOOKED at repro sleeves even though I haven't given in as yet!

Picking them up in charity shops is a good idea when the opportunity arises, though quite which charity shop I'm going to find the two Major Minor sleeves I currently require in, is anyone's guess!!


  11th Sep 2012, 11:27 AM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
Electric Worrier

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Oh yes, right sleeve for the right record is something I've always been totally obsessed by! Even have to have the A Side facing front, and the right way up! Sad isn't it! In fact it makes me uneasy to see them upsidedown or the wrong way round-like a crooked picture on the wall, I would have to sort them all out! Not that obsessive about anything else though.

Edited by Electric Worrier on 11th Sep 2012, 11:28 AM

  11th Sep 2012, 11:33 AM#15  QUOTE  REPORT  
nboldock

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It isn't just you, all mine are the right way up too... (at least I hope so).


  11th Sep 2012, 11:59 AM#16  QUOTE  REPORT  
Electric Worrier

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Ha Ha glad to hear it!


  11th Sep 2012, 11:11 PM#17  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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You can add me to the 'A side at the front, labels right way up within the sleeve' brigade. OCD? No, not at al ha ha ha! Well okay, maybe just a little bit....... :whistle:


  11th Sep 2012, 11:31 PM#18  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deepinder Cheema

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1547
After a recent enlightening experience I want to have the correct sleeve when the record left the factory. This is why I like to find NOS.


  12th Sep 2012, 12:06 AM#19  QUOTE  REPORT  
fabgear66

I was so much older then I'm younger than that now
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See also Off-Topic Forum - Paper record sleeves - 30 March - 3 April 2012.


  12th Sep 2012, 1:27 AM#20  QUOTE  REPORT  
7226power

Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1533
factory fresh NOS records and sleeves for me too! mint. mint. mint. or in the best condition I can find, no repro (uuuuuuuuuuurghhhh!) sleeves for me... 'orrible paper they use, hated 'em since they first came out, can't see originals ever being reproduced exactly as they were...

records in sleeves facing right way up with a side at the front...

my 45's are filed in record company order (in boxes from Sounds Accessories, several boxes for larger labels like Decca, Fontana, Philips, RCA, London, etc)

then date order for each record company... :wink:

all 45's are put in a polythene bag, not PVC, it reacts with Pye group 45's and end up with white marbling... :angry:

Edited by 7226power on 12th Sep 2012, 1:36 AM

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