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  21st Apr 2012, 5:39 AM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
musictom

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Whats the thought about scanning 45s with those little inserts in the record that provides the small hole. This is mostly for US singles. I think it looks better without them.


  21st Apr 2012, 7:41 AM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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As a personal preference I would rather see US copies without the spiders as I believe that is how they came. I'm sure someone will correct me here if required. Regards other countries, some actually came with spiders i.e. the UK commonly issued 3-pronged spiders with the records. However I have an aversion to the spirally shaped ones to be honest as I think they look awful.


  21st Apr 2012, 9:09 AM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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I prefer them without but it's not a big deal.

I couldn't physically remove this one...





  22nd Apr 2012, 12:57 AM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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Those metal inserts, once in, hard to get out...(almost impossible in a polystyrene record without cracking/breaking)...US records never came with Inserts/spiders (although I have two hanging from my cars rear-view mirror, a red swirly US version and a black UK Polydor version!)....John


  22nd Apr 2012, 9:41 AM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
YankeeDisc

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BEATLEJOHN wrote:
..US records never came with Inserts/spiders (although I have two hanging from my cars rear-view mirror, a red swirly US version and a black UK Polydor version!)....John

....whilst you beat me to it, John, responding to Doc's notation, of course, you must never remove that type of alloy insert, as the vinyl is bound to yield first, result....disaster.

Your addenda amused me, and I wondered what your ride might be?

.....Rambler perchance....?.....tell me yours and I'll tell you mine.


  22nd Apr 2012, 9:05 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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Rambler!!!...last time was in one was was probably in 1966!....nah... I'm a "family-man"...Toyota-Camry...........I have two friends with "wheels"...one has a '69 Cadillac rag-top and a '78 Sting-Ray...the other has a '96 Trans-Am.....of course their both single.......John


  23rd Apr 2012, 6:57 AM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
YankeeDisc

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....sensible choice John, when my family was growing up, I always ran Estate Cars (Station Wagons), for all the detritus.....now they're all growed up, I am currently running three vehicles, a '96 Audi A6 Avant (Station Wagon), a '96 VW Golf GTi Cabriolet (rag top), and a '99 Mercedes-Benz CLK Coupe, Lorinser edition.
I am disposing of all but the Merc. My ex-wife runs a Golf diesel sedan (4 door saloon), '96 I think, and I'm trying to get my nearly 27 year old only daughter to learn to drive (daddy's paying the bills), so I can get her a VW Polo diesel compact Saloon (Sedan). I originally bought the Golf Cabriolet for her, but the insurance cost was prohibitive as it has the GTi 2 litre 8 valve engine.

Cheers, Mike.


  13th May 2012, 10:15 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
vidman45

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Maybe I am being overly petty, but those adapters in U.S. releases really upset me. It seems to be the same members who do not take the time to remove them before scanning. If the adapter cannot be removed without damaging the records, they can be edited out by using programs such as Paint. I am also opposed to non-white center holes. If the scanner has a black lid, laying a sheet of white paper over the record in the scanner will fix the problem. I think the site looks better having uniformity in the photos.


  14th May 2012, 3:09 AM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
The_Vinyl_Junkie

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vidman45 wrote
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I think the site looks better having uniformity in the photos.
Getting uniformity would be difficult for various reasons. I do agree with the removal of adaptors that have been manually fitted. There are some releases where the company has done a production run with a machine inserting adaptors for a particular market. Below is an example of a non-removable adaptor and should stay as such being the official release format.



Edited by The_Vinyl_Junkie on 14th May 2012, 3:12 AM

  14th May 2012, 6:30 AM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
musictom

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I agree with Vidman. I think if a spider can be removed easily, the person scanning should do it. I also like the white centers. Easy to fix for a solid hole like a USA single, tougher on a factory created spider, like UK releases.


  14th May 2012, 8:01 AM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
Getalife

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Added for ref: would they look much better with the centre taken out?.

Edited by Getalife on 14th May 2012, 9:32 AM

  14th May 2012, 11:25 AM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
janiejjones

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In my opinion, if they were sold like those RCAs above, where the centre is even kind of welded into the record, it is what has to be shown on 45cat. Uniformity might be nice for some people, but that's one of the problems of thsi digitzed age, that the bloody past will just not obey to all those database rules. So please, leave as bought, original.
BTW, that one also is a nice example of early market mix-ups, produced in Germany, with English, German and Spanish bits of text, for sale where?

Edited by janiejjones on 14th May 2012, 11:28 AM

  14th May 2012, 11:54 AM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
YankeeDisc

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....I really do not mind if spiders are in or out, but would respectfully point out that it could be disaster to try to remove these types, made from alloy....

________________

....as they are far stronger than the vinyl, and as they are pressed in using force, a small amount of damage may have already occurred unseen at point of contact with the larger die cut hole rim edge.
Removing the alloy spider can only exacerbate the problem, so please leave them unless you're an expert.
I'm not.

Edited by YankeeDisc on 14th May 2012, 11:54 AM

  16th May 2012, 2:21 AM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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Most , but not all , jukeboxes , have the larger hole requirement , were the large spindles also commonplace in US radio studios ?


  16th May 2012, 10:52 AM#15  QUOTE  REPORT  
Felonious

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Scroll down to Bob Eubanks


  20th May 2012, 12:47 PM#16  QUOTE  REPORT  
sporidium

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What nobody has mentioned is that scanning with an insert makes it far easier to locate the centre point from which to perform a circular crop of the label. Whenever I scan without an insert, I have to hunt around for ages to find the point from which my circle will meet the edges of the label all round. But maybe that's a problem aggravated by the paint software I use (Paint Shop Pro v7).


  20th May 2012, 2:24 PM#17  QUOTE  REPORT  
Klepsie

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No, I quite agree. Scanning the haul I brought back with me from my US trip -- all with large centre holes of course -- was hellish compared to scanning a small-hole record. My scanner is ancient and cranky enough already; if I have to faff around trying to get a sheet of paper in it as well as the record without moving the record off centre, you can be sure I'd abandon scanning for good. (Massed shouts of 'hooray' from 45cat...)


  20th May 2012, 3:34 PM#18  QUOTE  REPORT  
Hawkmarty

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With Paint,NET (at least) you draw your circle from the edge of the label by selecting the ellipse icon, placing your cursor where you want the edge of the circle to be, holding down Shift, hold down the left button of the mouse, drag the cursor to the other side of the label, take your finger off the mouse button, release Shift at voila! A perfect circle.


  21st May 2012, 6:40 AM#19  QUOTE  REPORT  
musictom

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With GIMP, I just extend the circle around to the edge of the label. For ones I scanned, I've seen no problem with large hole singles.


  21st May 2012, 7:07 AM#20  QUOTE  REPORT  
YankeeDisc

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Hawkmarty wrote:
With Paint,NET (at least) you draw your circle from the edge of the label by selecting the ellipse icon, placing your cursor where you....etc

.....too right Hawkmarty, I use the same method as yourself, but with a laptop. I have my left index finger on the click select, whilst my right middle finger is on the touch pad, which replaces the mouse.
Result, I have become quite adept, surprising really for an old geezer, who spends his time tripping over empty bottles of Seagram's V.O., and when oot and aboot, driving way too fast........LOL.



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