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  26th Apr 2012, 11:29 AM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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The wretched Mary Portas should be cursed from here to Kingdom Come. More and more charity/secondhand shops are smartening themselves up, as per MP's advice, to try and present a more upmarket appearance.

Only today I went into two shops that I'd last been in a week ago, only to find all trace of vinyl gone. As if by magic. It was there last week. I bought a lot of it last week. There were, of course, rows and rows of virtually unsellable CDs, DVDs, Playstation games and the like.

On enquiring, I was told by the ladies in both shops "oh, we had orders to remove it, as it looked scruffy and didn't help the shop's image". Agreed - it did. But is the purpose of a charity shop solely to look pristine and sell clothes/books for ridiculously ramped-up prices?

I realise I've trodden this ground before but it bears repeating, I think. As well as charity shops disappearing due to the twin effects of deliberate 'gentrification' of shopping areas by local councils and punitively high rates (thus achieving the first by stealth, anyway), we now have this bloody woman influencing the managers of the charities and misguidedly encouraging them to get rid of 'tatty stock'.

Well, the neat CD rows etc., are just that - tidy. But none of it sells, because there isn't the interest in it. I said to one of the ladies, whilst emphasising I realised it was in no way her fault or decision, "you may as well throw all your CDs and DVDs in the skip, because they'll still be here in a year's time, unsold".

Portas would undoubtedly like to see high streets and side streets entirely denuded of 'messy premises'. How little she knows.

Ok, my rant's over now and my blood pressure's hopefully dropping...


  26th Apr 2012, 12:02 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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(Calm down Ade!....we're here for you!).....Over here in the States, there's two kinds of shops, Charity shops which are usually connected to some kind of Church/Social organisation and are usually well kept/clean and one in a while you might find a "teasure"...The other kind are independantly owned "Second-Hand" shops...which can run the gamut from pigsty to immaculate / cheap to downright expensive....I don't mind getting dirty to find a few good singles/Lp's......"Excuse me sir, do you have any records?"......."Yeah, In the rear left around the corner, where the mice run back and forth"............"Thanks!".......................John (weirdly "The Salvation Army" thriftshops are where I have found some good pieces of vinyl!)

Edited by BEATLEJOHN on 26th Apr 2012, 12:05 PM

  26th Apr 2012, 1:04 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
Klepsie

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Salvation Army are definitely a good bet, they tend to have quite a bit of vinyl in and not to overprice it. I also find that local hospital/hospice/"speciality" charity shops are often a good bet for some vinyl. The "chain" charity shops, generally speaking, aren't.


  26th Apr 2012, 3:58 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
The_Vinyl_Junkie

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The charity shops in Perth West Australia have stopped having 45's but still keep the LP's. It's now becoming very difficult to find the second hand brica brak shops with any. The Salvation Army stores here were the first to discontinue 45's.


  26th Apr 2012, 4:18 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
Felonious

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In reality unless they have some one pricing records and removing the stuff they never sell vinyl clogs a shop up. It does take up space for other stuff that sells.


  26th Apr 2012, 5:57 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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I have to strongly disagree, Felonious. In reality, the shops DO sell vinyl, often substantial amounts of it and it certainly doesn't clog a shop up - which is why they so often get someone to (almost inevitably over-)price it up, knowing that there are collectors like myself out there that do come in regularly and do, equally regularly, buy the items - often even at the high-ish prices they ask.

The true 'never moving, never selling' clutter is the endless amounts of CDs (often 'cover mount' jobs from magazines and newspapers), videos, DVDs and various computer games. These are the items that anybody with any busness nous i these shops should either politely decline to accept or discreetly lob into the nearest wheelie bin.


  26th Apr 2012, 7:04 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
carey jeggs

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Another thing they wont shift are all those Penguin Modern Classics editions of Kerouac's On The Road.There seems to be at least one in every charity shop I go in and they always look brand new.Baby boomers must be giving them as presents to student relatives who already know what awful toss it is and after a decent interval put it in the charity bag unread.


  26th Apr 2012, 9:36 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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I do notice (over here at least) an over-abundance of video-tapes clogging up space...(my wife and I have sent a lot of videos to the local charity shop)....I couldn't imagine who would want them, I've replaced a few favorites with DVD's/Blue-Rays.......Lp's are still a common find here, it's the 45's that have become scarce........John


  26th Apr 2012, 11:57 PM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
Felonious

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A charity shop which accepts videotapes will be a shop that has every Jim Reeves album in its box or if it's Scottish every Sidney Devine LP. If a charity shop is shifting vinyl they'll be ignoring advice from Mary Portas and her acolytes.

Fans of this type of charity shop may find this Forum interesting




  27th Apr 2012, 7:55 AM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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Lots of UK Charity Shops are now refusing to take VHS videos already. I still have a player but it's stored away somewhere. I also have some Jimi Hendrix VHS vids as well so that is one reason for me keeping the player as I'm not 100% sure that it's all available on DVD. Back in the 80's someone did me a 3 hour long video of clips of Jimi Hendrix from the US and Europe and it cost me a lot of money (£100) at the time. There were three bootleg cassettes in that price as well.
This guy also wanted me to exchange six of my singles for a bootleg LP that he had had manufactured to use for trades of one of the Paris Olympia shows. I didn't.


  30th May 2012, 12:51 PM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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Also

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13952

Relates to LPs , classical , some of which do have a value , but the poster is selling for the shop he volunteers at and creating quite a wide audience , they have obviously put in more work and effort than I would in raising £2 per LP , but I guess some of it is a labour of love and a means to see good quality audiophile stuff. It would be good if shops taking in vynal and selling in this way could sometimes show how much raised from these ways to encourage continued giving.

Edited by moderator on 30th May 2012, 6:45 PM

  30th May 2012, 10:01 PM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
wurlitzer 1550a

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Vinyl is definitely becoming a rare beast in the Charity shops. What does pay dividends (certainly for me) is to let it be known that you'll clear people's old vinyl and supply them with a shiny CD in their place (if you know what I mean). :whistle:
Otherwise 04:00 trips to Car-boot sales.


  31st May 2012, 1:03 AM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
Juke Jules

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I too am stunned at the naivety of those binfuls of cover mount CDs. Of course anyone who sees those will think 'oh good, I've got a few hundred of those in a drawer so I'll bring them down here if they want them'
I've started suggesting to any staff who are interested that if they can't sell 45s they only have to bag them up 20 at a time and sell them as a lucky dip for a quid, and they'll go in a flash


  31st May 2012, 1:40 AM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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Ade's opening line in the first message..."The wretched Mary Portas should be cursed from here to Kingdom Come"......sounds like it came off of an old Fairport B-side.....I'm sorry but I couldn't help myself...................

John (thanks for the inspiration Ade!)

Edited by BEATLEJOHN on 31st May 2012, 1:42 AM

  31st May 2012, 1:59 AM#15  QUOTE  REPORT  
Klepsie

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Nicely done! Of course it had to be a Witchseason Production...


  31st May 2012, 7:20 AM#16  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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That's superb, John - nice one! What a splendid effort.

When I'm senile (probably not too long now), in my jumbled mind, I'll have convinced myself there was a Fairport single with this song title and I'll be stumbling around any sales I can find, twitching and mumbling incoherently to myself.

Oh, hang on..... :whistle:


  31st May 2012, 7:33 AM#17  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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love it! :thumbsup:


  31st May 2012, 1:00 PM#18  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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In response to Ade..."I'll have convinced myself there was a Fairport single with this song title"....the worst part is you'll remember exactly how the melody goes!...........John


  31st May 2012, 9:03 PM#19  QUOTE  REPORT  
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  31st May 2012, 9:24 PM#20  QUOTE  REPORT  
casinosoul

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And what's wrong with Mary Portas? Her attempts to revive the ailing/nonexistent UK bloomers industry have given us the exquisite Kinky Knickers in which I'm told I look good at weekends ..... errr I've said too much already :embarrassed:

Perhaps she can turn her attention to reviving ailing record shops or even the entire (allegedly) ailing music industry - remember vinyl is killing the mp3 industry!


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