We Are All Strange Jane Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 11783 Moderator
A few pleas from a terminally frustrated purchaser:
1) "Vinyl" is spelt thus. Not "vinal", "vinial", "vinyal" and definitely not "vynil".
2) "Various" is spelt thus. Not "variose", "verious", or "variouse".
3) And it's "juke box", not "duke".
4) Good ways to make sure I don't click on your auctions:
a) Using the 'word' "L@@K" in the title
b) using more! than! one! exclamation! mark! in! the! title!
c) Calling your auction "Vinyl Record" with no further clues to its identity
5) Two records is not a "job lot". Furthermore, "job lot" is two words.
6) RPM stands for Revolutions Per Minute. RMP stands for Royal Mounted Police and has nothing to do with records, apart perhaps from "The Mountie Song" by the Arrogant Worms.
7) Those little records you're selling are seven inches across. Calling your lot a "six inch record collection" ensures that a lot of collectors will never find it. It also makes you look like a peabrain who can't use a ruler.
8) Don't call singles "glam rock", "northern soul", or "punk" unless you actually know what those terms mean.
9) Likewise, "garage" is a genre, and it makes collectors sad if you call a bunch of dusty records that, just because you found them in the back of your dad's garage.
10) That Abba record you call a "rare collector's item" was number one for weeks and sold millions.
11) If you're selling a big box full of records and specifying "collection only", for christ's sake give a more specific location in your description than "ENGLAND".
12) And if you "DON'T HAVE TIME TO LIST THEM ALL" then I don't have time to bid on them.
13) Blazoning your auction with "ORIGINAL SLEEVE" and only mentioning in the small print that there is no record inside it makes you look like a complete weasel. This goes double if the sleeve is a company paper one rather than a picture sleeve.
If I Could Turn Back Time Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 3060 Moderator
I think the one that makes me laugh is 'I've had it valued at a London Auction House'.
However please spare a thought for the poor seller as well who lovingly describes his item and advises that Ebay won't allow him to put the correct P&P so ignore 'for collection only' ...only for some idiot to send a message 'why is it collection only?'. Plus the buyer who gives you bad feedback when his item has gone missing in a dodgy country whilst you're spending ages trying to get his money back from the Postal Service. Then there's the people who think that VG is actually near mint and are somewhat taken aback when they receive the item in VG condition.
And finally what really really gets my goat is...... some guy selling exactly the same item as me and getting 4 times what I get!
If I Could Turn Back Time Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 3060 Moderator
it's an interesting comment from Felonious. Can you provide any examples? in defence of a few 'idiots' whom I could be classed as, is the implication that the starting price is too low? in this case it is hoped that maybe several people will realise the scarcity or collectability of an item and is expecting the selling price to soar. It doesn't always happen unfortunately and putting reserves on is sometimes prohibitive or not allowed for less than £50. Point taken though
I know that there is some bloke who keeps writing up to Record collector proudly stating how he bought a record worth several hundreds of Pounds for extremely little because it was incorrectly described.
I'm sorry to hear of Klepsie's frustration - I'm sure that we've all experienced similar anxieties.
However, at the risk of stating the obvious, eBay is a generalist seller site and as such, is likely to attract the web equivalent of the car booter who thinks it's OK to stack all of his records on top of each other - in (or out of) their original sleeves.
eBay apart, serious sellers are more likely (but not exclusively) to be found on specialist sites like Discogs, Netsounds, Gemm and Musicstack. Serious buyers should research these sites before bidding - I have witnessed bidding fever on too many occasions to mention. Similarly, I have witnessed some absolute steals, almost exclusively on eBay.
Having sold on eBay since 2002, I am continually amazed at the number of buyers who:
1] do not read item descriptions and ask for packaging exactly as described
2] expect a tracking number when they haven't paid for insurance
3] think that a 100% feedback seller has suddenly become dishonest because their record went missing or was delayed.
Finally ('what a relief', I hear you say?) The number of non-payers I have encounterd has gone from approx 1 per year to approx 1 per month. Thanks to eBay's buyercentric policies, each of these miscreants escapes with their feedback intact.
When in doubt.......accelerate........ Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 3597
ebay - a tale of woes.
I am not opposed to ebay, but care little for the wretched paypal, which can be circumvented quite easily by dishonest buyers. Let's say you are selling a £20 single, on buy it now, and you have to offer paypal as a means of purchase.
1. A purchaser clicks purchase, and wishes to use paypal.
2. The order is paid for, using paypal, and the seller dispatches the said item speedily, by post.
3. The purchaser claims that the item has not been received, complains to paypal, who immediately return the purchase cost of said item to them, no questions asked.
4. The seller may have well sent the item recorded, or proof of posting, but it matters not, their fees are taken out of their paypal account.
5. The dishonest purchaser now has the record, plus they've got their money back.
6. The seller has to enter into a complicated system, where they may get their money back, but in the end, it's a loss.
7. Finally, the dishonest purchaser leaves negative feedback, which harms the seller's integrity.
Think I'm making it up?
It has happened to friends of mine.
I have declared on this site previously, that I will be selling my entire record collection, and I sincerely hope that I only get to deal with honourable buyers, with a preference to this site.
Money & a vinyl junkie are soon parted. Joined: May 2012 Posts: 697
I have been buying via ebay for about 8 years. This is the way I treat buying. If I went into a shop and bought an item, I would not expect them to put it away until I felt like paying for it. I pay usually within minutes of the auction finishing or at worst 12 hours.
What follows are my own opinions from experience. The best service, packaging and communications are from US sellers. I have never had one go missing from USA nor had issues with the description of the item. I have had 7 fail to arrive from UK and 2 broken (78s). I have always contacted the seller re non arrival but 3 failed to even respond.
My one gripe? The inane use of the word RARE for virtually all listings
I'd just like to add that some sellers state on their listings 'in good condition', which doesn't usually mean the grading outlined by Record Collector (or any other grading system). This is often subjective and could be anything from playable up to excellent, leaving you to decide whether it's worth a punt....
Hopelessly devoted to vinyl. Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 745
But just to even the scores up I did win a record on Tuesday described as in "VG" condition and consequently picked it up quite cheaply. It arrived today and doesn't look like it's been near a turntable in forty years, absolutely pristine. The opposite end of that is the 45 that turned up last week from Ireland in a plain brown envelope, and the seller had charged me £6.00 for delivery! Amazingly it still arrived in one piece.
Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream... Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 95
I must be quite lucky with ebay then, only ever had one non-arrival in 3 years or so. Got a couple of good bargains too - a mono "Yellow Submarine", a little ugly looking but plays great and an excellent sleeve for £35 and an original (XEX 605-1 / XEX 606-1) "Revolver" - knackered sleeve, perfectly playable LP for £37, but have to agree that some of the listings are annoying -ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE NEED TO USE CAPITAL LETTERS ALL THE TIME!!
99% of non-smokers die! Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 289
I must be quite lucky with ebay then, only ever had one non-arrival in 3 years or so.
Same here both bought and sold and not just records. I only ever had one go missing a CD to Oz and that was my fault. I got the address wrong but it got returned eventually but in the meantime Royal Mail refunded me (shhh!).
If I buy something and it's not quite what I was expecting I've given up complaining and I now just re-sell on often at profit Also I find someone will list a record, it goes for loads and then others list the same expecting as much but often getting much less. So it always pays not to bid on the first one listed.