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  24th May 2012, 4:26 PM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  

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I'm never sure how to enter composer/arranger credits when it comes to Trad tunes.

At the moment I've been putting "Trad." in the composer field and entering the name in the Arranger field. (For example, "Trad. arr. P Maloney", I'd put Trad in the composer field and P. Maloney in as arranger.

Is there a site standard for entering these in a consistent way? If not, should there be?

Am I even doing it right??!

  24th May 2012, 5:39 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  

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Looks reasonable , normally the arranger does the full orchestral arrangement , and often on Trad. tunes composer will add different melody or words sometimes. Often I think the arr. credit is to ensure copyright protection and to get a writing royalty.

Sometimes the Trad. is a bit lazy as tunes ( which escape me at present ) do have definitive writers , particulary from the C19th.

  24th May 2012, 5:45 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
davie gordon

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If the label gives the composer credit as "Trad. arr. ABC" list that as the writers.

The arranger credit is meant to be for the person who writes the charts for the musicians - that's a different skill to a singer changing the tempo, tune etc. for an old song.

Splitting the composer credit separately is a throwback to the early days of the site before it was decided to do it rationally. The old style credits will eventually be edited to reflect this.

On a slightly different tack on older records where there's a "Directed by .." credit
list that person as the arranger unless there's a separate specific "Arranged by .."
credit. The way credits are listed on records has varied over the years - it's safe
to assume that whoever was given the job of "directing" the musicians did that to
his / her own arrangement unless somebody else is given a credit.

Hope that makes things a bit clearer.

  24th May 2012, 6:21 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  

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I agree with Davie. There are two types of "arrangers": the people who arrange a traditional song (they should be listed in the Songwriter field), and the people who write the charts, hire the session players, etc. (they should be listed in the Arranger field).

On a related note, I think we need to add a category for Music Director, which was a different job than the Arranger. The MD was actually IN the studio with the musicians, conducting the performance. And sometimes the MD was the unofficial producer of the session (the person credited as "Producer" may not have done anything except bankroll the session).

  25th May 2012, 12:33 AM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  

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Did Robert Stigwood ever produce a record? Or was it his bank roll.

  25th May 2012, 9:07 AM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  

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Thanks - that does indeed make things clearer. In future I'll do as suggested (being a bit of a folky it's quite likely this will be a recurring issue for me as time goes on).


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