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  28th May 2012, 11:16 PM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deepinder Cheema

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A lot of information from far and wide is being sifted ordered and organised on the website generating a lot of valuable data about all aspects of the 45. One which I find interesting is a glimpse as to how many copies were printed, an indication is looking into stamper codes so for EMI it is GRAMPHNLTD*. 45cat succeeds because it is easy on the eye and easy to navigate, so I would like to advocate a place where owners of records can enter stamper codes to build up a picture of how many discs were printed without compromising 45cat

*1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
G R A M P H N L T D


  28th May 2012, 11:51 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
billstiggins

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*G R A M O P H L T D :wink:


  29th May 2012, 1:30 AM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deepinder Cheema

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Oops!


  29th May 2012, 6:54 AM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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This kind of information can be added as a comment.


  29th May 2012, 7:36 AM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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To be fair to Record collector (and I am a big critic) they printed this information recently when doing an article about the Beatles, explaining what really constitutes a 'first pressing'. Quite interesting it was and it showed how pedantic people were when wanting to purchase 'first pressings'.
Having a very nice copy of King Crimson's .In the Court of the Crimson King', stampers A2/B4, I keep track of copies sold on Ebay. Most copies are A2/B4 but I have seen one A1/B1 and a few A2/B2's. My understanding is that if a pressing is inferior then a new stamper is created. If this is the case then it would suggest that any of King Crimson's pressing before A2/B4 were probably actually inferior quality which is why they hardly ever turn up. could I be right?


  29th May 2012, 9:29 AM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
Billy Two

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There shouldn't be any difference in quality between pressings. Identical multiple "Mothers" of uniformly equal quality can be made from the same matrix, and it's from these that the stampers are created and then re-made once they wear out.




  29th May 2012, 8:53 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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There are some pitfalls in the search of 1st pressings.
I had a frien in England, who was looking for first presses only.
He searched for several years for a Decca record.
In the Decca cases they used BUCKINGHAM as referent.
So he was looking for the record with the stamper code B.
He did never find any, so after 5 or 6 years of searching, he contacted someone at the pressingplat and asked why he couldn't find any B1.
Then he was told, that if something goes wrong with the stamper, it's just thrown away, and the first pressing in this case went to U.
Luckily he already had one with U.
Five years of searching for nothing.
Conclusion: Some stamper codes does NOT exists.


  29th May 2012, 9:35 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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I no longer care about 1st pressings / hot stampers etc. etc. now that my ears are on their 8th pressing.

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  29th May 2012, 9:50 PM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deepinder Cheema

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Some prominent releases have several stampers made simulateously at the beginning to satisfy demand, so this issue of what constitutes a first pressing becomes an matter more to do with the ignorance of the collector. I know that EMI made LP one sided pressings sent off in a white sleeve to be checked by Quality Control, the ones I have from the 1960's have G. I'm interested in collecting codes to give some clue as to how many discs may have been pressed


  29th May 2012, 10:39 PM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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I think EMI pressed about 300 sides from each stamper, and Decca did almost the same.


  30th May 2012, 7:39 AM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
Hawkmarty

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Re the King Crimson "Court". The A1 pressing was different. I believe the quiet bit before 21st Century Schizoid Man starts up had a separate banding amongst other differences.


  30th May 2012, 7:50 AM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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Thanks for that Hawkmarty. I've only ever seen one for sale, and that was by XXXRecords (Graham Cross?). But why are there so few though? Would it have been withdrawn after, say, 300 copies were pressed? Why are there not many A2/B2 copies about either?..............so many questions. Has anyone on this site ever worked in a pressing plant?


  30th May 2012, 8:10 AM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
Felonious

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All your questions answered here. A forum devoted to record-cutting deviants, renegades & experimenters




  30th May 2012, 10:55 PM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
carryonsidney

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Hi Lorangrecords, Yankeedisc posted a section about record making at EMI just the other day, it was here
300 pressings would be a minimum.
From my days working in an electroplaters years ago, I would say nickel plating is very tough, you could probably get a couple of thousand 'prints' through very careful handling, I would have thought with breakages in the factory process,however, that stamper runs were very uneven. I wouldnt get excited about an early stamp, after all the mother disc was used for all (or most) of an average record dub plates.


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