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  1st Jun 2012, 10:33 AM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
Klepsie

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Someone was asking the other day about which record was the first to be released with a bar-code.

On a similar note, while scanning yet a-bloody-nother nasty injection moulded label just now, I found myself wondering what the very last record to be pressed using this regrettable technique might be. (They have stopped doing it, haven't they? ...haven't they?)


  1st Jun 2012, 12:06 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deltics

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I don't know which was the last one to be pressed, I wonder which was the first one? I think the first one I ever bought was Relay by The Who but that most certainly wasn't the first one made. It would appear that the first ones were made by the Phonodisc companies (Philips, Polydor etc.) on continental Europe, particularly France and Germany around about 1971.



  1st Jun 2012, 1:36 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
The Toad

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With regard to the first injection moulded singles. According to an article on page 1 of Billboard magazine for 16th Oct 1971: 'Phonodisc is experimenting with a new production technique, painted labels, pioneered by French company SFP. The new process prints the labels directly on the records, cutting out the production costs of printing labels on paper. The new technique at present is limited to selected Polydor and Philips singles, and has been used on the New Seekers' 'Never Ending Song Of Love' and St. Cecelia's 'Leap Up And Down'. A specially adapted injection moulding machine is used in the process. Tony Muxlow, Phonodisc general manager, said "There is a cost saving using the method but at the moment it is very much at the development stage. It is confined to the Polydor and Philips labels, but we certainly won't be using it throughout our releases at the moment." The painted labels process will be used on the forthcoming Slade single, 'Cos I Luv You', to be released by Polydor this week.'


  1st Jun 2012, 2:03 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
marillionfan

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I haven't seen any past 1998 or so apart from jukebox specials - incedentally, where do people stand on this US version (not one thing or the other, really)?



I've got a German Philips LP with this style of plastic label.


  1st Jun 2012, 3:38 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deltics

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That's an interesting point. I've never seen an injection moulded LP label, I wonder if they tried? If so, it obviously didn't work.


  1st Jun 2012, 5:38 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
carryonsidney

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I cant access my records at the mo, but I am pretty sure one of the late [UK] LP pressings by The Jam is an injection mould, Sound Affects I think?


  1st Jun 2012, 5:40 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deltics

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Really? Well I never!

Edited by Deltics on 1st Jun 2012, 5:41 PM

  1st Jun 2012, 5:44 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deltics

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This one?

Totally vinyl


  1st Jun 2012, 6:27 PM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
BEATLEJOHN

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It's vinyl, I have some French and German LP's where The "label" is printed directly on to the wax, (like this Jam LP)...The US Amy Mala Bell singles, have the label image printed directly onto polysturene..(a silk screen process)...John


  4th Jun 2012, 9:12 PM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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TheToad comments this must have been one of the earliest 45s with this label process.

Noted the above LPs , why does vendor call it Sound Effects ?

Edited by Whyperion on 4th Jun 2012, 9:14 PM

  5th Jun 2012, 9:45 AM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
Ade Macrow

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Noted the above LPs , why does vendor call it Sound Effects ?

Vender karnt spel or reed propuhly? :grin:


  5th Jun 2012, 2:56 PM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
TheJudge

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Ade Macrow wrote:
Vender karnt spel or reed propuhly? :grin:

I was halfway through that sentence before I realised it wasn't in Danish! :grin:


  5th Jun 2012, 4:19 PM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
23Daves

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I have in my collection a copy of the Bob Dylan tribute album "It Ain't Me Babe" on Polystar records ("Made in France") where the label has been printed directly on to the record, and I'm pretty sure I've seen a copy of The Bee Gees' "Spirits Having Flown" which uses a similar technique. For whatever reason, though, it didn't seem to become adopted as a widespread practice.

I've also had to return a couple of 45s to shops in my lifetime because the silver, gold or red spray had ended up on the vinyl itself, so it clearly wasn't a 100% reliable method (although I suppose you could also say that paper labels can be applied drastically off-centre and also ruin records, so it's hard to say which method is more fail-safe).


  5th Jun 2012, 5:38 PM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
carryonsidney

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I was thinking about BeatleJ's reply the other day, I got mixed up about the phrase "Injection moulded". Of course styrene pressings would be injection and the label screen printed.
I feel certain that the later uk/european vinyl pressings would have their labels screen printed rather than stamped as well, I have seen plenty of iffy printed phonogram labels I assume the record companies thought it would save money on paper but I think a high volume of printing rejects would have negated any cost savings in manufacture.




  5th Jun 2012, 5:46 PM#15  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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And as a DJ its nearly impossible to read them in a dark club or rotating on the turntable , nevermind the thoughtlessness of difficulties in scanning for 45cat ( though the silver print on purple and blue of Pye and Philips are not much better )


  24th Aug 2014, 3:09 AM#16  QUOTE  REPORT  
mdcoffey

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According to Billboard magazine, January 23, 1954 Columbia and other Indie labels were indeed pressing styrene injection mold LP's.

I have a collection of 5000 45rpm records. Overall, I have to say that a NEW styrene record sound better than vinyl usually. I have had new vinyl records with surface static (not many but a few) but this has never been the case with styrene. From what I understand, regrind is common in vinyl pressings and too much can cause excessive surface noise.

There have been times I find a vinyl record in a store, looks unplayed and new, I buy it and bring it home, Clean it properly and play it and it has crackles still. This has not been the case with styrene.

Edited by mdcoffey on 24th Aug 2014, 3:24 AM

  24th Aug 2014, 3:56 AM#17  QUOTE  REPORT  
W.B.lbl

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It would appear that in the US, the last injection-molded styrene 45's were made by Columbia's Carrollton, GA plant in fall 1991, after which Columbia went with MCA's Gloversville, NY plant for the next decade or more before that plant closed. But that's for a whole 'nother thread.


  24th Aug 2014, 4:18 AM#18  QUOTE  REPORT  
jangleradio

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Some budget record labels like Sunset (Liberty's budget label) and Halo Records in the 50's released injected molded LP's. The Sunset LP's I had (Petula Clark, Gary Lewis) had pasted on paper labels, and the Halo album had a painted on label. But like a styrene 45 they can trash instantly under a heavy tone arm or worn out needle.

And be careful with the Bell-Amy-Mala 45's that were pressed by Bestway in Morningside NJ. I have found out the styrene they used has become very brittle over 40+ years and can crack easily.

I think Bestway's painted-on label process was very primitive compared to Polygram's, considering Bestway's sloppy smeared paint job and how quickly it can wear off. Bestway lasted into the 80's but I think they stopped making painted on labels 45's around 1970-71.



  24th Aug 2014, 4:25 AM#19  QUOTE  REPORT  
HarvestmanMan

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marillionfan wrote:
...incedentally, where do people stand on this US version (not one thing or the other, really)?



I'm very wary of pressings like that. Anything that looks remotely beaten up will probably sound like crap, in my experience.

Luckily, pressings like this were pretty much limited to Bell/Amy/Mala group labels. And for many pressings, promo copies can be found with paper labels, which usually means better pressing quality. (Has anyone come across a promo copy with a painted-on label?)


  24th Aug 2014, 4:53 AM#20  QUOTE  REPORT  
jangleradio

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HarvestmanMan wrote:

I'm very wary of pressings like that. Anything that looks remotely beaten up will probably sound like crap, in my experience.

Luckily, pressings like this were pretty much limited to Bell/Amy/Mala group labels. And for many pressings, promo copies can be found with paper labels, which usually means better pressing quality. (Has anyone come across a promo copy with a painted-on label?)

You're looking at one. Bell/Amy/Mala (and the myriad of labels they also distributed) used "Plug Side" "Advance Copy" and "Promotion Copy" on all promo 45's. Unfortunately they didn't start pressing promo copies with paper labels and some 45's on vinyl until around 1965. I think the first ones I saw were on Bob Crewe's DynoVox, DynoVoice and New Voice labels.

The president of Bestway Products was once part owner of Bell and the kids Golden Records labels.



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