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  19th Jun 2012, 8:11 AM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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Does anyone have an opinion about original white UK paper sleeves. I mention it because several labels released issues in the '60's in plain white sleeves e.g. Atlantic, Track, Purdah etc. Some of the top opening patterns were quite unique and I wondered if much value was placed on the original white sleeves.Most turned a brown colour and were discarded but I sometimes wonder if it's worth keeping hold of these.-Mick


  19th Jun 2012, 8:21 AM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
Dr Doom

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Wavey tops!

Yes they do go a bit brown but I have been known to buy the odd 50p stinker just to get a crisp and clean plain white wavey top sleeve.

:embarrassed:


  20th Jun 2012, 2:13 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
rodent1967

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The original old plain white sleeves are definitely worth hunting down and keeping. No question. Anything else just does not look right. I bought a pristine (and expensive) Track single recently, housed in a modern snowy white straight-topped sleeve. The disc looked ridiculous until I found a 40+ years old replacement in my stock of spare sleeves. It looks the business now.


  20th Jun 2012, 6:15 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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There comes a point when the aged old stuff suddenly seems to disintegrate( being on the boot sale table in the rain does not help ) . The new stuff seems as if it is going to scratch the records in some way.


  20th Jun 2012, 6:50 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deepinder Cheema

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I believe there was a Blue Horizon shop in Chalk Farm back in the early 1970's. Pete Wingfield used to work there and stated that even towards the end there were Purdah '45s still for sale. He mentioned that the large hole Polydor BH releases were not pressed in the UK and came in white sleeves. The folks who reproduce sleeves miss an obvious trick by not paying attention to the correct quality of paper required. With a little bit of research the correct high acid content low quality paper can be found. The old MM yearbooks probably have details of old suppliers.


  26th Jun 2012, 1:48 AM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
7226power

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love mint white original sleeves! :thumbsup:
white wavey tops with foldover stuck outside for red label Atlantic, white straight tops with foldover stuck inside (early Decca group - i.e. Atlantic black label, '63/'64/'65 London and Decca demos) reversed wavey and the EMI group white sleeves with a slight cutback on the reverse and fold over stuck outside and the early 70's Decca group white sleeves with the bit sticking up about 1inch from each top corner... MGM and MGM group (i.e. Verve and Verve Folkways) post '67 issues came in white reversed waveys as well as most if not all MGM pink demos! there are also white sleeves for MCA demos too and also Philips/Fontana demos, most record labels had the demos put into white sleeves... (EMI subsidaries like Parlophone/Columbia demo's were housed in normal company sleeves, as far as I know, unless anyone knows different!)

Edited by 7226power on 26th Jun 2012, 1:58 AM

  24th Nov 2015, 9:15 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
cassotto74

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How can you know whether one of these sleeves is original or not? I'm interested in the two different models Atlantic used (the two 7226power has described). Most of these singles are found in white sleeves that are obviously modern, but when it's not that obvious, how can you tell?

I would appreciate any detail you may give. Is the paper thick, thin, matt, with a satin finish...? Would it be too much to ask the weight of a sleeve? What's the width of the flaps? Do the flaps end with a right angle, or not? Any, ANY detail will be welcome. I'm not in the UK, and have no one around who has an old record collection including such singles, so as to have sleeves with which to compare any I may get.

Lastly, do you know of any place where I can buy such sleeves, knowing they are the real thing?

Thanks!




  26th Nov 2015, 8:12 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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I rather wonder what happend to original sleeves when people used to put their singles in the poly lined cardboard colour edge strip sleeves - though I have seen company, etc sleeves folded down and squished into these outers.

I dont think many people stock them - any s/h record shops pile them up from the really awful (condition or title) records and sell them by the dozen. Unfortunatley its only experience and the memory of what they looked like when first bought that gives away an original or a 'copy'.

As said above the Pink on White Threashold label looks great in the correct Decca group white sleeve, and a Track single looks wrong in anything else.


  10th Dec 2015, 10:17 PM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
cassotto74

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Whyperion wrote:
the poly lined cardboard colour edge strip sleeves.

What's that? I cannot make head or tail of it, but I don't know whether it's a problem with my English or with my not having ever seen such a thing.



  10th Dec 2015, 10:38 PM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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cassotto74 wrote:
Whyperion wrote:
the poly lined cardboard colour edge strip sleeves.

What's that? I cannot make head or tail of it, but I don't know whether it's a problem with my English or with my not having ever seen such a thing.

Sorry re-reading does make it sound more like an item of knitwear.

http://wiki.discogs.com/index.php/Image:BoardSleeve45dj.jpg

Assortment but no colour edging
http://www.juno.co.uk/dj-equipment/record-sleeves


  11th Dec 2015, 7:07 AM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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The worst part is, I knew what he was talking about! :sad:


  11th Dec 2015, 7:13 AM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
Mikey Dread

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Oakley Boys wrote:
The worst part is, I knew what he was talking about! :sad:

Me too, OB. Must be an age thing. :embarrassed:


  11th Dec 2015, 9:17 AM#13  QUOTE  REPORT  
Monolith

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Mikey Dread wrote:
Oakley Boys wrote:
The worst part is, I knew what he was talking about! :sad:

Me too, OB. Must be an age thing. :embarrassed:

Me as well. :erk:

I'll see you all at the next week's Darby & Joan Club meeting, don't be late and remember to bring your dentures.


  11th Dec 2015, 10:23 AM#14  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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Don't let the wife see this, but, having just about cleared the house where the mother-in-law died (ours but she was squatting in it while we were sort of looking after my mum). I didn't ask what direction the mother-in-law was, the missus said she was blocking the doorway when she went round to visit, I think the coroner might have missed something for I found a lower plate under the stairlift- its only taken me 22 months to get to cleaning that bit of carpet properly. All I can think is somehow she dropped them, maybe down the stairs, having dodgy legs she had difficulty looking on the floor for them, the stairlift seat fell down, whacked her on the head and knocked her out, she couldnt get up and so finito.


  11th Dec 2015, 6:19 PM#15  QUOTE  REPORT  
cassotto74

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Whyperion wrote:
cassotto74 wrote:
Whyperion wrote:
the poly lined cardboard colour edge strip sleeves.

What's that? I cannot make head or tail of it, but I don't know whether it's a problem with my English or with my not having ever seen such a thing.

Sorry re-reading does make it sound more like an item of knitwear.

http://wiki.discogs.com/index.php/Image:BoardSleeve45dj.jpg

Assortment but no colour edging
http://www.juno.co.uk/dj-equipment/record-sleeves

Thanks! Now that I see what you were talking about, I understand your description. I'd never seen them before,

Oakley Boys wrote:
The worst part is, I knew what he was talking about! :sad:

:laugh: :laugh:
Mikey Dread wrote:
Oakley Boys wrote:
The worst part is, I knew what he was talking about! :sad:

Me too, OB. Must be an age thing. :embarrassed:

Probably. Either that, or a location thing. I wonder whether these were used in all countries. Perhaps not over here. Anyway, I may still be on the youngish side of the line (back then all we listened to were cassette tapes).





  11th Dec 2015, 6:23 PM#16  QUOTE  REPORT  
cassotto74

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Whyperion wrote:
Don't let the wife see this, but, having just about cleared the house where the mother-in-law died (ours but she was squatting in it while we were sort of looking after my mum). I didn't ask what direction the mother-in-law was, the missus said she was blocking the doorway when she went round to visit, I think the coroner might have missed something for I found a lower plate under the stairlift- its only taken me 22 months to get to cleaning that bit of carpet properly. All I can think is somehow she dropped them, maybe down the stairs, having dodgy legs she had difficulty looking on the floor for them, the stairlift seat fell down, whacked her on the head and knocked her out, she couldnt get up and so finito.

I know mothers-in-law are not always considered best friends, but that's sad anyway. At least your wife went visiting. I hate the idea of people dying alone and being there for ages before being found. If your theory is right, I do hope that the knock killed her instantly.


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