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  9th Jul 2012, 10:38 AM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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Shall this artist really exist?
What I mean is. Is it useful to add more of the two variations (vocals incl.) or put all but Glenn Miller ahO in the notes?
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  9th Jul 2012, 2:40 PM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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I need an advice to go further, please.
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  9th Jul 2012, 2:47 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
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Personally I would put the vocal refrain details in the notes and just use "Glenn Miller And His Orchestra" as artist.


  9th Jul 2012, 3:23 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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That's my opinion as well VJ.
What did get me wondering, was that the whole incl. vocals is existing already.
No one against, so I do as you and I think is the best.
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  9th Jul 2012, 3:42 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
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Done some tidying up


  9th Jul 2012, 4:08 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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Well done.
Thanks Keith.


  10th Jul 2012, 6:48 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
Bobzyeruncle

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Most of those vocal refrains were from Tex Beneke, if I recall.
A very underrated singer.


  10th Jul 2012, 8:13 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
lorangrecords

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Bobzyeruncle wrote:
Most of those vocal refrains were from Tex Beneke, if I recall.
A very underrated singer.

It was.
That's why I also was wondering.
What makes it a little complicated, is that he often had a group or a duet partner along, and how many artists with Tex incl. shall we then use?
Not an easy question.
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  13th Jul 2012, 9:53 AM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
Whyperion

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This somewhat illustrates the change in Music over time from the 1920s to the 1950s.

Recorded ('pop') music was a means of providing cheap dance music either to learn dances at home or for small venues without competant local musicians , particulary where an 18 piece band would be needed. So , musicians union strikes, record label contracts and similar excepted , the ' normal ' credit of artist would be Johnny Doe and His Orchestra - With Vocal Refrain, and an indication of the type of dance the record was suitable for , Fox-Trot for example. After a while the vocalist would become popular in their own right and get a sub- credit , eg Vocalist Frank Sinatra. and the vocal refrain expanded to the full song and the orchestra would fade into the background on the label into a song by Bing Crosby with Orchestral Accompaniment.

Glenn Miller , thanks in part to the time his orchestra was performing , was able to be much more of an all round musical entertainment , providing full band with great arrangements in a swinging style , ballads and love songs with Female and Male vocalists in Solo , Duet or Shared style as well as the small vocal group The Modenaires, sometimes the vocal was the lead of the tune with the band providing the backing. From the 1940s few bands had re-issues in a 7" format , although LP compilations remained popular in record club and collector editions.

Also RCA kept good paper records and there are plenty of discographies showing which vocalists were on what performances and so 45cat is less critical in showing whom was on a particular track , most people would look for Glenn Miller first and then look in the detail if required ( I dont think many tracks were recorded with different vocalists on the same track title ). For smaller labels where band membership was more fluid and the bands more obscure 45cat is a good place to put down variations where the information is not widely known.

Of more interest would be from where the tracks were recorded. Glenn Miller recorded in the Studio , for Radio Transmission , for USA Forces (strictly those discs should not be re-issued in any format or re-transmitted for the general public)
and for film tracks as well. With such a large band , illness or other absences could mean differing arrangements of the same tune were needed.



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