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  19th Jun 2011, 8:55 AM#1  QUOTE  REPORT  
carryonsidney

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If you are a regular around the charity shops (in the UK) just a little warning when going into a MIND store. Recently they have been adding a 2nd sticky label with a serial number to all their items, the checkout assistants have to peel off this label when you buy the item, twice now they have done this so quickly they have torn the album sleeves before I could stop them!
Yesterday I got a copy of Lllloco-motion on London (the Lp) and suffered this again :eek:
so buyer beware in Mind!


  19th Jun 2011, 11:33 AM#2  QUOTE  REPORT  
harley

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I use Barnardos my problem is that they just dump them in a box causing creases to the sleeves.


  19th Jun 2011, 1:14 PM#3  QUOTE  REPORT  
Billy Two

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I am going to take the probably deeply unpopular stance of DEFENDING charity shops...

Look, they're charity shops. That doesn't mean that you go to them for charity, it means they are trying to raise money to give to needy causes. "Needy causes" doesn't include Johnny London Collector or Billy Ebayer - if they have a record that's worth something, why on earth shouldn't they try to get as much as they can for it so as they can pass the benefits onto the hungry/homeless/incapacitated. That's what they're there for, not so as you can get a £45 rated Vertigo Swirl at £1 that you then gloat about to your friends in the pub. Have some shame, you people !


With regards to grading/pricing - yes, no argument, it is often hopelessly inaccurate, optimistic, just plain rong. Just like 80% of people selling on the internet. Or 50% of "proper" second hand record shops. Vinyl grading isn't exactly rocket science, but it is a light art and most charity shop record pricers seem NOT to posses it. Ho-hum.
However, in their defence, charity shop workers are generally volunteers working for free !! Would you do that ? Give your time and expertise for a few hours a week for free ? No ? Well there's your "Big Society" for you. And charity shops can't always be choosers about what staff they have...if Ethel Grimwald (76) says she'll maintain the music corner in the St. Winifred Atwell Hospice Shop, then she's going to put out Mantovani LP's for £2 as that's what she digs, and she'll think Cliff Richard 7"s are worth £5 a pop because RCPG 2004 says that's the case. She is no expert, and probably wouldn't claim to be - she's just doing her best to help a charity shop make money.

So you think the records in your local charity shop are badly graded and over priced ? Go volunteer yrself ! You may be suprised at how glad they are of your service...

My tin hat is in place, people. Go for it :)



Edited by Billy Two on 19th Jun 2011, 1:16 PM

  19th Jun 2011, 2:23 PM#4  QUOTE  REPORT  
carey jeggs

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I agree with Billy Two although I only go to charity shops to buy books.I once overheard a conversation where a woman with an inflated sense of entitlement asked for her money back because she'd found another book in a shop across the street which she preferred.They gave it her which was probably the best thing to do just to shut her up.


  19th Jun 2011, 3:05 PM#5  QUOTE  REPORT  
Oakley Boys

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Billy Two, I can't argue with your statements which of course are true. However I know in Clacton-on-Sea an acquaintance goes round pricing stuff up. Unfortunately even with his knowledge he is a bit over-optimistic on some of his prices (£250 for Elvis on HMV- very torn cover and vinyl not exactly mint either). I concur on the sticky label problem as several of them do it now- especially to claim tax back.
I suspect I would be a little more sympathetic for Charity Shops if they all did it for free. It's only when you learn how much the top-nobs actually get paid that it grates- and you realise that the top price that you have paid for an item is just paying someones UK salary instead of going to where it was intended.


  19th Jun 2011, 3:39 PM#6  QUOTE  REPORT  
Getalife

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That last part is so true Oakley Boy, so much money is sent to other countries that never ends up with the people you intended it for.


  19th Jun 2011, 4:10 PM#7  QUOTE  REPORT  
Billy Two

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I 100% agree about the wages thing, though isn't that the same for everything ? When you get on a bus, you aren't just paying for the petrol and the bus driver, you're also paying for the company boss to get a six figure salary...I'd say that's more a problem of a capitalist society than charity shops.

If charity shops were cheaper the bosses would get the same amount, but the hungry/homeless/incapacitated would just get less !!!

Oh, and as for price stickers on labels, that's just needless, inexcusable vandalism.


  19th Jun 2011, 4:11 PM#8  QUOTE  REPORT  
harley

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Don't get me wrong I used to work at a Charity Shop but they take more care of glass ware and other brick a brac then records. And I also put more then a a £1.00 in there Charity box at Barnardos even if I've not bought anything.


  19th Jun 2011, 4:57 PM#9  QUOTE  REPORT  
Deepinder Cheema

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I am extremely happy to pay the going rate for any record I want from any source. My criteria is condition and a price to match or not to match if it is a bargain. I will not pay over the odds re: anything substandard just because it is a charity shop.

The sticker problem can be easily solved. I do not like removing them. These stickers have a code so the charity can claim deed of covenant at minimum rate of income tax from donated items by taxpayers from Inland Revenue. Just ask the shop to write out the code on another sticker to place on the designated sheet. I paid £10 for a Near Mint copy of Animals and the Deed Sticker was on a post it note.


  19th Jun 2011, 4:59 PM#10  QUOTE  REPORT  
carryonsidney

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I would l like to make clear don't have anything against volunteers or charity shops in general, being a regular shopper in them since I was a child (thanks mum! :rolleyes: )

I do take issue with professionally run high st 'brands*' that have changed the style of charity shops completely in the last 15 or so years. When I donate stuff, quite a lot of records as it happens, I always choose the local independants (Hospices etc).

Don't forget that some of the bigger names, they just throw the donations of old stuff away and keep the new!

(btw the sticker concerned was a handwritten serial in house stock number for MIND- not tax relief - I suggested they stick em on the inside of the sleeves in future!)

Edited by carryonsidney on 19th Jun 2011, 5:01 PM

  27th Jun 2011, 2:45 PM#11  QUOTE  REPORT  
groovemaster.dj

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The worst stickering offenders

1. Record & Tape Exchange Notting Hill Gate & Camden
2. HMV on 12" singles rips the laminate off
3.Old Our Price for the same offence as #2

I always use lighter fuel but sometimes fails. long slow process
if doing 12" die cut black sleeves with a slight sheen finish lighter fuel removes the colour.




  27th Jun 2011, 3:50 PM#12  QUOTE  REPORT  
biffbampow

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carryonsidney wrote:
I would l like to make clear don't have anything against volunteers or charity shops in general, being a regular shopper in them since I was a child (thanks mum! :rolleyes: )

I do take issue with professionally run high st 'brands*' that have changed the style of charity shops completely in the last 15 or so years. When I donate stuff, quite a lot of records as it happens, I always choose the local independants (Hospices etc).

Don't forget that some of the bigger names, they just throw the donations of old stuff away and keep the new!

Yes, I have issues with these factors as well. The big name charity shops have gotten so "upmarket" over the last 15 years they seem to be selling as much "new" stuff as donated items. Some just won't stock vinyl at all and I know for a fact that a lot of vinyl is getting dumped without even being put up for sale. I shudder to think what possible treasures and rarities have been tossed away as rubbish because of a misguided belief they won't be able to sell it and that records are as obsolete as VHS cassettes have become.

I've gotten charity shops down to a fine art. The smaller independent charity shops tend to be grubbier but you stand a much higher chance of snagging a bargain. They keep prices low. They understand the turnover issue. As soon as you get a donation, sell it as quickly as possible to ensure space for new ones. The bigger charity stores? They waste tons of money on transporting stuff from branch to branch. If they can't sell items for the price they demand, it's usually bagged up, and driven and dumped to another branch to try and sell. So stuff keeps being shifted around in the hope of finding a buyer instead of resorting to the blindingly obvious solution... if you can't sell something, halve the price and see if you can sell it then. I do find much stuff is now overpriced in those larger stores.

As for the vinyl problem, it really angers me how each shop seems to have the Record Collectors price guide. Whatever price is listed is the price they'll slap on the record - regardless of the condition. That is utterly insane as is the way they apply the stickers making removal of them often traumatic instantly devaluing the damn disc if it rips. Damning because when they received it would had been "clean" so some charity shops are actually devaluing records thanks to their stickers.

I'm very pro charity shops... bought many a bargain from them. I do also take issue with the fact there are bigwigs at the top with nice cars, offices and a comfortable wage profiting from donations of items, time and money but that's another rant altogether.


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