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Artist:Simon And Garfunkel
Label:  CBS
Country:Australia
Catalogue:BA-221239
Date:1970
Format:7"
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Community:1 Owns
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TrackArtistTitleComposerProducerRating
ASimon And GarfunkelThe Sounds Of SilenceP. SimonTom WilsonRate
BSimon And GarfunkelThe Times They Are A-Changin'B. DylanRate


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Record Collector
11th Feb 2015
 Oh yes of course the no showing the publishing trade mark trick makes perfect sense
 

 
Neil Forbes
11th Feb 2015
 Vinyl Junkie, the one you provided the link to is the first issue, and yes, a new catalogue number should've been allocated to the 1970 re-issue due to the different B-side. The original B-side is We've Got A Groovy Thing Going and carries a publishing credit "stamp" that simply says "Control"(abbreviation of "Copyright Control") Paul Simon's compositions were handle by Essex Music in all markets bar Europe where state-owned publishers(GEMA, BIEM, SACAM. etc.) handled his songs.
 

 
Record Collector
11th Feb 2015
 As the song title says from me no comment hehe
 

 
Neil Forbes
11th Feb 2015
 One might refer to this as a "submarine" record - it kept resurfacing(ha-ha).
 

 
earlybird
11th Feb 2015
 This would be like the Genghis Khan, same Cat. No. different "B" side but that was only one year later & we have official release dates
 

 
The_Vinyl_Junkie
10th Feb 2015
 If this is dated 1970 it will give a way out of date/cat # continuity in the CBS label listing.

The same cat # in 1965 AND 1970, but technically it should be 1970.
 

 
Leedon
10th Feb 2015
 If it is 1970 should the date of release reflect this?
 

 
earlybird
10th Feb 2015
 I think you would be hard pushed to find this pairing with royalty logos, my copy is the same as this entry.
Don't know why they did not allocate a new Cat. No
 

 
Neil Forbes
10th Feb 2015
 In other words, earlybird, it's the first batch of re-issue pressings for 1970.
 

 
earlybird
10th Feb 2015
 I would say this is the original issue of the re-issue from 1970.
I doubt if they would have a 1970 matrix number in 1969
 

 
Neil Forbes
10th Feb 2015
 This is either a late 1969 or a 1970 re-issue as the publishing company credit "stamp" is not present on the label. If you'd have seen the original issue, it would have the "stamp" for Essex Music" at right of label, between the catalogue and matrix numbers. These "stamps" disappeared from all Australian labels during 1969 - and good riddance! Only thing is, the publishing credit(in print only but full name, not just one word) should have been in the same position on the labels.
 

 
earlybird
10th Feb 2015
 Matrix numbers on the "B" side are a couple of numbers later than Johnny Cash's "Sunday Morning Coming Down" which charted November 1970
 

 
Record Collector
10th Feb 2015
 So it could be a reissue
 

 
PhilMH
10th Feb 2015
 B-side matrix number is higher than all of S & G's three Oz 1970 singles ("Bridge", "Cecilia", "El Condor Pasa"), so I think that this must be at least 1970, for whatever obscure reason.
 

 
Record Collector
10th Feb 2015
 Going by my record data base catalogue number BA-221239 debut on the New South Wales charts on 12th of January 1966 this may help
 

 
wax_museum
10th Feb 2015
 It's not 1965. Closer to 1970
 

 
The_Vinyl_Junkie
10th Feb 2015
 This now raises the question of how should this release be dated. As far as a novice collector is concerned, the "A" side is the hit as listed in the various Australian Chart Books with a Dec 65/Jan 66 debut date. Our publications don't state the "B" side like the Billboard Pop Chart books.
 

 
wax_museum
10th Feb 2015
 Sounds of Silence is on Greatest hits tho, also released around this time, maybe the single promoted the two at the same time?
 

 
wax_museum
10th Feb 2015
 The Times They Are... is also on this album, but not sounds of silence.
 

 
wax_museum
10th Feb 2015
 This record has no royalty logos, so late 1969-1970 would fit.
 

 
The_Vinyl_Junkie
10th Feb 2015
 In response to Leedon, why would CBS issue a single from the "Wednesday Morning 3 AM" LP some 5 to 6 years later?

But on the other hand the matrix #'s support your comment.
 

 
The_Vinyl_Junkie
10th Feb 2015
 Just had a look at the matrix #'s of each of the "B" sides.

"We've Got A Groovy Thing Going" - MX146691.
"The Times They Are A-Changing" - MX162765.

"The Sounds Of Silence" - MX146692 is the same for both.

It would be interesting to see the matrix #'s for each of the LP's.
 

 
John Ure
9th Feb 2015
 To answer this one came out first, it was taken from the L.P. "Wednesday Morning 3 AM", the other version was taken from the Sounds Of Silence L.P.
 

 
The_Vinyl_Junkie
20th Jun 2012
 CBS have given us something out of the ordinary. The same "A" side and cat# with different "B" sides. Which was first - this one or this one?
 


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