Quite simply one of the most original singles of all time - absolutely NOTHING else sounded like this before... or since come to think of it. An instantly memorable tune, unique sound, Marc at his best... what is there not to like about it? Good B sides too establishing Marc's formula of featuring two songs as opposed to one which gave great value.
It still sounds fresh and unique today which one definitely cannot say about most discs from 1970.
My Mum said it stood out at the time and she loved it because it was so different... she used to play this disc to death along with the follow up ensuring I was brought up with some decent music! I'm a big Bolan fan as some as you know and the more I think about it, the more I think this is my desert island Marc disc.
One for Ade and Electric Worrier - I found a copy of this in a mint original sleeve last week. The pressing inside has the same label variation that you last scanned and uploaded EW - although absolutely clean and shiny as though it had been pressed yesterday. I only paid GBP2.99 for it too - a fabulous bargain. I know that to most people on here such tiny variations will seem of no consequence, but I find them fascinating and I know I'm not the only one. I think it might be called OCD? ha ha.
I've added scans which I think are a slight variation on the others here. It's similar to the one added by Paul Vinyl, but the 'Made in Gt Britain' ends above the 45 R.P.M but this and the other credits on the right hand side have pronounced spaces between them. The B Side 'Made in Gt Britain' credit ends almost level with 'Stereo'.
Not vastly different I know, but hopefully interesting.
Still, as I'm here anyway - a stall in Brighton is doing an early Feb clearout with all 7"s and EP's at £1, regardless of price sticker (this was out at £6). I already have a lilac solid centre in plain sleeve, but thought a nice ps to go with it would suit.
For the purists [lable variation] the word straight [under visconti] is slightly to the right;;;;;;;;;;
plus ahead and productions are under the letter o in for,;;;;;;;; and the word limited is a little over to the left
Label shadings/tones notwithstanding, I'm convinced Fly's mustard labels used the same paper stocks as A&M. A comparison of both reveals the same tonal variations between lighter and darker labels and it seems to be the same semi-sheen, slightly gloss paper.
Paul, TS - yes, the shades of colour are another 'byway' that's proving very interesting indeed. I once thought the mustard labels used the same colour paper as, say, A&M Records, but this can't be wholly true - if correct at all! - because of the differing tones.
Discoloration can't be ruled out and it's another minor mystery we'll almost certainly never get to the bottom of but we'll have fun speculating, postulating and theorising!
Paul - yes indeed. There were several shades of mustard colour labels, and a few of the purple/grey as well. Just about the only thing they didn't chuck at it was the flourescent pink Immediate stock that some of the later Flys ended up with.
Funny isn't it, that this simple and very plain label has such a cult following. But there's something about the design that they got fabulously right - and it stayed that way until Cube came along and utterly ruined it.
Ade - I think, based on your evidence, that both colours must have been available from the word go. We both bought at the very start and both in pic sleeves and we both had different colour labels. Now! The question is how can we be sure that purple preceded mustard? I think it was a mixture right from the very start.
Fascinating stuff indeed!!
If it helps TS, all I can say is my pic sleeve copy (purchased 3 days after record was released) had a lilac label version inside. But who knows? Maybe both colour labels were already in circulation right from the start and were bagged indiscriminately, depending on which colour the packers had to had?
Nice to see the page tidied up a bit and for this glorious song to be No1 in the 45cat Top 50 yesterday.
I am curious though - I bought this with its picture sleeve when it came out and mine was a solid centre mustard (as shown here plentifully). The ordering here would imply two things: firstly that there might have been purple labels in pic sleeves (never saw that), or secondly that the earlier purples did not come in pic sleeves. Anyone know for certain? I'd always assumed that the pic sleeve mustards were the first . . . But as ever I remain to be corrected! Ha ha.
Given that I probably got purchased for me when the single was somewhere near the top of the charts, in London and therefore one would expect selling in large quantities, the label was lilac(ish), at what point /dates did the 'later' labels (mustard) enter UK distribution?
I wasn't getting irate, so no need to calm down. Just making what I hope was a perfectly valid point.
As for order, the lilac/pale grey labels should come before the mustard versions with the promos/demos for both preceding all other variations in either colour. Agreed that some of these look similar at an initial glance but there are subtle dfferences (differently spaced typeface, smudged fonts and so on).
But if they're all variants, why do any of them NEED to be hidden? Surely that negates the point of trying to make to ensure 45cat remains the 'completist's completist' site? After all, I don't suppose the myriad Scranton/Winchester and other US pressed Apple label variations will be hidden. Nor should they be, in my opinion. But it is only my opinion - what does everybody else think?
The mods might want to remove these but I'm adding - following the thread some months back - some crude, home-made 'Fly company sleeves' I manufactured years ago. The yellow version is intended for the grey/lilac versions of RAWS. Images same both sides of sleeve. Thought it might be of curio interest, anyway.
Ade afraid my Fly label isn't complete I still need 4,and as for my Fly/Cube it's not very good at all with only a handful, maybe I will start collecting in earnest as soon as I've got a couple of other labels out of the way.
Personally, I'd leave the jukebox centrehole image here. In my book, it's a bona fide variation and therefore merits inclusion. But, hey, it's all opinions, eh? Same for the 'Triple A side' sticker image - if copies were given out/sold or intended to be given out/sold like this, that makes it another legitimate variation to me.
The only other one that's somewhat dubious is the juke box cut out one. But I can see why that might have been included. It's nice to think there may have been spidered copies sold - although I doubt they ever were. This is just an ordinary single with a juke box cut out.
Wow - I'm totally confused by all that! Seems like there might be some re-issues coming out, but I couldn't make head nor tail of all that detail (with respect to Ade of course!!).
As usual I will probably miss out on whatever it is because it all seems to be made so bloody complicated that I can't be arsed in the end. Funnily enough that's exactly what happened with the 'Electric Sevens' thing. In the end there are unsold copies almost everywhere I go now - and to think that at one time I would almost have sold my soul to have obtained a copy.
The saddest thing about these types of re-issue is that if they confound the hard core fans like me then who the hell else are they going to sell to? The Ebay vultures need gullible people to sell to I suppose . . . . though they won't get me! ha ha!
By the way, IMHO there are some images that need taking off this page. Those last two mainly - the first is just any record with a cut out ad stuck to it (??) and the last undersized one is not required as it's just a straightforward mustard solid centre with a load of scribble on it - all due respect to the posters of course. No offence meant!
You're welcome, Paul. I'll be going for the 7"/12"/CD single set. Fly will email people when these are available for purchase. Can't wait.
I'm short of two Cube singles - BUG 44 BULLFROG Glancy/In The City and BUG 45 SNAPP Cheat, Cheat/So Many Reasons. The Snapp one very occasionally turns up - like, once a year or so - but is always at a silly price. Other than that, there's one of the two Pirates Cube flexidiscs I need but nothing else that I'm aware of. Mind you, there's always those differing labels/with or without 'dist. by Pye or Dakota Records'/differing typefaces and so on, so like everyone here on 45cat, my collecting life can never be completed! (Not that I'm complaining).
Still trying for the Fly/T.Rex large centre hole jukebox editions as well.
Technically, Fly's claims about this being the "100th single on Fly" are inaccurate, because we all know Fly metamorphosed into the manifestly inferior Cube after the first 18 releases. Besides, many Cube releases were scheduled but unreleased, so the number is well below the ton. Note that the woeful Fly EAGLE/FLEA era has been disregarded in the official list of releases.
Interesting that Tony (and Mary Hopkin's) son Morgan is assisting his Dad on this release. Morgan's also been involved with his Mum's retrospective CD issues.
Fly Records - The Logo Colossal
T.REX REGENERATION : Tony Visconti & Morgan Visconti have been developing a very special T.REX project under the 'T.Rex Regeneration' banner.
The first 'T.Rex Regeneration' release is scheduled as FLY records' 100th single release, to commemorate the 35th Anniversary of Marc Bolan's death (16th September) & what would have been Marc's 65th birthday (30th September).
Childlike Men - test acetate 7" The release date, formats, pricing and pre-order details will be announced over the coming days on our site & facebook page.
Link up to FLY on Facebook for all the release updates as they are finalised.
What harm could it do?
And if you aren't on facebook just send us an email with 'T.Rex Regeneration' as the Subject and you'll be alerted with release information.
'Childlike Men' cover - BUG100
Hey Let's Do It - BUG 100; reversible cover
The 7" single features 'Childlike Men-single edit' b/w 'Hey Let's Do It', with an inner bag and a special reversible picture sleeve featuring Tony Visconti's own photographs of Marc and the band. The sleeve design was overseen by Morgan Visconti, with Tony's guidance. The 7" is pressed on 70gram heavyweight black vinyl.
Each 7" is individually numbered.
T.Rex Regeneration 12" - HBUG 100
The 12" single is 1-sided and features the unedited version of 'Childlike Men' followed by 'Hey Let's Do It'. On the flipside is an etching of Marc. The image here is just an illustration of the design, it is not a photograph of the finished product. The 12" is pressed on 180gram pure virgin black vinyl.
Each 12" is individually numbered and limited to only 500 copies.
T.Rex Regeneration CD single
The CD single - for those without record players or iDevices - is a vinyl replica black polycarbonate disc and features 'Childlike Men-single edit', 'Hey Let's Do It' & the unedited version of 'Childlike Men'. It comes packaged exactly like the 7", with an inner bag and reversible picture sleeve.
All the T.Rex Regeneration Fly releases use 100% sustainable paper labels and stickers, and are printed with premium colour-rich non-toxic inks.
Downloads for all tracks will be available through iTunes.
For wallet relief we'll put together an all inclusive package for anyone who wants all the formats.
MORE RELEASES COMING SOON...
FLY SEPT 2012
Release information will be posted soon and will include limited vinyl editions, compact discs & downloads
Well, courtesy of an advert in the latest Record Collector, it looks as if the long-promised T.Rex Fly single (BUG 100) is (nearly) upon us. Under the umbrella title of 'T.Rex Regeneration' it has two songs 'Childlike Men' (no idea what that is) coupled with 'Hey Let's Do It' (which is presumably an early take of 'Diamond Meadows'. The picture sleeve front is atrocious - Marc's face treated to a greeny-blue overwash.
The 7" single is a solid-centre orange/red label with the early Fly 'double ring' logo and scheduled for release early in September. It comes in 7", 12", CD single and Download versions. All the first three formats are allegedly numbered, limited editions.
Now, all we need is for one/some of us to stumble upon the legendary hyphenless dinked and large (American style) hole centre mustard label versions. Plus....previously unheard of lilac and grey versions of same in large hole, dinked and solid centre formats!
Well, no harm in dreaming and stranger things have been known. After all, look at all the variations we've turned up between us so far. Is there a better obsession than record collecting? I don't think so.
Must confess I too signed up at the time of the last revival in 2007 and, like you, have never received even a dropping from them, TS. To the extent that I simply moved the link to the 'my favourites' feature and seldom looked at it again. (Until today)
The fact the site is still advertising the 'new' 7" singles from Aug '07 by The Move and Procol Harum doesn't augur well. Funny how the truly lamentable FLEA and EAGLE Fly series launches got off the ground, though. Just 'cause they're on Fly, I've acquired quite a few of them but they're all pretty much an insult to the name of a great label.
Oh dear! I hate to be a cynic here, but that website has been saying that for more than a year. I've been signed up for the updates and news for longer than that and never had so much as a fly dropping from them. Would be nice to think that there's going to be a glorious rebirth - Dean script and all - but I fear it's not going to happen.
Looks like Fly/Onward Music/Bucks Music/Simon Platz are having another revival of the Fly label on vinyl (amongst other formats) in August. The following should be good - no other details yet:-
Fly is counting down to our forthcoming release schedule which is ignited in August with a very special single (cat no BUG100) featuring previously unreleased recordings by the group who graced FLY's inaugural release, cat no BUG 1.
Link up to FLY on facebook for all the release updates as they are finalised.
Alternatively sign up to our "Fly Paper" Newletter to be informed of when this content will be available.
Oh, it's DEFINITELY a 'handmade' job, rather than a geuine demo issue, TS. I hated bloody Letraset - all that rubbing down hard (steady! Fnarr, fnarr!) and then you'd carefully lift the top sheet off, only to find the b*stard lettering had only partially-transferred to the surface it was intended to adhere to. Those sheets weren't cheap, either.
All good stuff! Though Ade, I maintain that there really is a difference in colour between the grey and the lilac that can't be put down to scanning or differing levels of colour vision. But as you say - it all adds to the wonder and mystery of life.
*takes swig from bottle in brown paper bag*
By the bypass - that scan of the label with the supposed demo typeface on it? I think this is a clear case of someone beggaring about with some letraset transfer sheets. I recognise the typeface as 'old english'. I used to spend hours on those bloody sheets in the days before home printing took off. It is of such poor quality that I refuse to believe that it could possibly have been anything official in any way. I mean . . . look at it . . . it's a childish mess! Unless of course somebody can prove otherwise!!
The 'triple A' angle is something that Fly soon dropped and note that neither Is It Love or Summertime Blues on the obverse have anything other than a 'B' side assignation on the label. The dead wax info also confirms the secondary status - in terms of prominence/promotion, not musical merit - of these two songs.
This is a fascinating debate, TS. At least, it is for those of us who happily exchange what The Unenlightened Ones mistakenly term 'real life' for life here.
I guess it's down to perception of colour, in its all hints, hues, tones and shades. Whilst I utterly see your point and can see how many would adjudge the examples you cite as lilac, I'd just see/class them as 'grey' and 'lighter grey'. Not seeking any kind of argument or trying to 'point score' - just saying that individuals (literally) see colours differently ofttimes.
For example, see what people class as 'turquoise' - you'll get many varying shades cited. As another example, I always class the early (pre April 1967) Pye labels as 'cerise'. Others would say 'red', still others 'pink' and so forth.
So, the point of all my waffle is that, in some ways, everybody's right - it's 'lilac' if you see it as that, it's a certain shade of grey if you view it that way and, if you were the late Mr Stroudley, it'd probably be seen as fluorescent green or whatever!
Keep the scans and comments/debates going everyone - they're only serving to make 45cat better than ever.
Ade and EW - I think it's pretty clear that was indeed a difference between the "lilac" and the "grey" - If you look at the examples above it's fairly clear - but it's even clearer on this example that I gave earlier, where you can see the Immediate stock lilac and the grey alongside each other. I have both shades in my collection. I really must get a life.
I'm guessing this stickered copy is a pale grey (sorry - 'lilac' ha ha ha!) label, not a mustard version?
The 24th October 1970 date is intriguing, given the single's release nearly three weeks earlier. Maybe the single was 'brough forward'? But then, any 'original release date' would have been exactly three weeks later - the 25TH October/ Oh, I dunno....
Scan the 'handwritten info' B side in as well, if you can please EW: it's all great stuff...
Yes that's how I remember the press ad. as well. Thought that maybe this came from the trade press as it's slightly glossy.
I bought it from a record fair back in the '80s. There is some handwriting on the B Side including the date 24 Oct 1970.
That's a VERY interesting over-stickered issue, EW! Never seen one like that before.
The full-page press advert was b/w, coupling the 'triple A side' of RAWS/IIL/SB (Bug 1) with The Move's 'When Alice Comes Back To The Farm/What? (Bug 2) but wasn't like this sticker. I'll see if I can dig a copy of the ad out and scan it in.
All my non-mustard coloured versions of this single have been pale grey too, EW, despite often being described as lilac.
Perhaps it's like Stroudley's 'Improved Engine Green' which - at the risk of introducing a train-spotterly note here - was a colour that railway engineer Stroudley came up with. Unfortunately, Mr Stroudley was a mite colour-blind and his 'green' was in fact an ochre yellow/mustard tone!
True story and a locomotive in this shade can (or could) be seen in The National Railway Museum in York. So....mebbe the 'lilac; is, in fact, just what it appears - pale grey!
Hi telegramsam. Thanks for the info. Isn't it tantalising to have come that close to something like that. I would swap a hundred I love to boogies for that now!
Can you just clear-up the lilac label/grey label thing for me? Is the lilac label noticeably different from the grey, because I've never been able to tell the copies I've seen apart. I've bought about six copies of the supposedly lilac version over the years, and the look like the one I have always called grey.
Welcome Electric Warrior. I think it's quite possible that a purple Fly may have slipped into the pressings. The original Fly label used old Immediate blank labels for quite a while - and there were a number of purple shades that label used in its history - such as this one, and this one for example, the same colour of which ended up on this later John Kongos classic. If you check out the 45cat listings for Immediate you may find the colour purple that you refer to.
In late 1986 Record Collector did an in depth article on the Fly label but more interesting was a letter from Malcolm Jones (who ran the Fly label)that was printed in the March 1987 edition.
Don't know if such info has been made available elsewhere since then but he describes pressing and printing and catalogue numbering etc
Hi everybody! Love this site, and had to join because there's something that's been obsessing me all these years!
In 1976, I was round at a friend's house going through his mother's records, and I came accross a copy of RAWS on a purple Fly label. I can still picture it: It was a dark purple, very similar to the Electric Warrior preview single. I begged his mother to sell it to me, but she wouldn't-saying she would only swap it for my copy of I love to boogie. Back then, I thought I would never be able to replace it, so I said no. I have never seen another copy like it. My original copy was on the dark grey label and since then, I have bought about six copies on the supposed lilac label, but I can't tell the difference with my original.
Can anyone clear all of this up for me??
Not got one without the hyphen to the best of my knowledge Ade. But I confess that I probably wouldn't have noticed that until you'd mentioned it. Another thing I'll now be keeping a sharp eye out for.
As far as Fly labels go How about a mustard Get It On? Or maybe a fluorescent pink version Rex on Fly? Anyone?? Ha ha - oh well, I like my pipe dreams . . .
Allegedly, there are mustard label versions of this (dinked and solid centre) with the hyphen missing between the 'BUG' and the '1', although I've never stumbled across one, alas. May just be a rumour, of course.
just a side ways comment
i have a copy of RAWS on fly with the lilac (immediate paper) lable
and it has been decorated with letraset ............ my god a real throw back to the 70s
it has DEMO written on the left side and the catalougue number altered to BUG L1
Also T.REX is underlined and on the b side the the credit to marc as writer of is it love is scored out completely
On the A side inside the circle of the fly lable logo there is an outline of a large A but the letter itself has either fallen away or been removed
The marc bolan lifetime discography calls this a fake or hoax and i have made several enquiries with fly and they say quote .... there never was a demo issued for RAWS
I possess a copy of suspicion another fly single as a demo and it is more properly constructed on a mustard lable
i have a copy of another fly record which was a promo copy and this was released after jeepster ... it has a white sticker with the release date on it in a wrap around picture sleeve
t.rex and debora on the brown fly lable had a similar treatment as a promo / demo except a rubber stamp was used on the lable and the sleeve contained a write up on the group all housed in a wrap around cardboard sleeve
so from all this i seem to think when octopus turned into fly the office may have been a very hands on and make do affair.... could it be someone there had to apply letraset to records and post then out as demos ? given the varied methods used to highlight fly releases as demos or promotional has anyone any more information.........
is there anyone with information on this RAWS ...... i would love it if it was a hand made demo
but doubt i would ever be that lucky
another question is ... can anyone get into john peels record collection on line
i want to see what copy john holds of RAWS but cant view anything
i just get a black screen
last question ... what is the premise for a FACTORY SAMPLE as again i have a copy of RAWS with factory sample sticker on the b side .... but its the mustard lable so obviously not the first presssing ..... so this i suppose would not be sent out as a demonstration substitute .... could it be a gift given off the pressing shop floor at EMI hayes and therefore needed a factory sample sticker to get past the security gaurds at the gates
"So what's the difference between the other solid centre mustard labels and these latest two?" you ask, entirely reasonably. Look very, very closely. On the 'B' side, the music publishing credits have been moved infinitesimally closer to the rim and perimeter text and have had the most minor of typesetting adjustments, as the (b) of Cinephonic is now under the Li of Limited rather than under the im as before. Hope that makes sense!
And here was i thinking all these years that it was only mentioned on my special copy. Is this booklet that you refer to the same as mine 20 page Size A4 ?. Before you ask the TP stands for Thomas Patrick and when i joined the Post Office back in 62 my father was already in the job so you were not allowed to have the same name so i became TP . Back then i told them all that it meant Top Postman.
Booklet was 'A Guide To Irish Singles' by Clive Zone, published in 1995.
The Regal Zonophone RAWS/IIL/SB had both solid centre and dinked centre pressings, with silver writing on a dark blue label. Catalogue number was rendered without the UK hyphen, as 'BUG.1'. Marc Bolan's composer credit for Is It Love mispells his first name as 'Mark'.
The pressing plant was at Ferrybank, County Waterford. Labels were printed by Design Print. Often as few as 200 copies were made, wth no follow-up pressings. (Perhaps UK copies were imported after the initial pressing was exhausted?).
Clive Zone now theres a blast from the past.I supplied Clive with most of those Irish Pressings way back in the late 80s early 90s.He sent me a copy of the A4 20 page booklet which included scans of all known Irish labels at the time including variations.I was that friend in Ireland mentioned in the text.Like most of the singles that i have parted with over the years i could not keep scans no PCs back then.There are only 17 known Irish Pressings 3 on RZ and 3 on Fly and 11 in the EMI Marc series.Marc 1- 2 - 3 exist without the EMI logo and only Marc 8 actually states Made In The Republic Of Ireland on labels.Hope this helps a bit.
This was pressed in Eire with a Regal Zonophone label but same BUG-1 catalogue number. B/W pics of this and other Irish T.Rex label variations can be found in Clive Zone's booklet but it'd be great if someone who had some/all of these could scan 'em in, in all their glory.
Here is another interest fact to Fly-label from "MB an illustred discography by John & Shan Bramley":
" Fly records were originally to be called Octopus Records with distribution through Island Records. "Ride a white swan" was cut and given catalogue number OCTO 1.
Only three testpressings were made available to Fly/ Octopus for approval. This were "Ride a white swan"/ "Jewel" and "Summertime Blues". "Is it Love" was not included. The deal fell through and the company´s name became "Fly Records" with distribution through EMI."
For those with an interest: Fly records relaunched in 2007, so the date of 1989 as the last one here on 45cat is not strictly speaking true. There have been a number of re-issues of all old Fly biggies including RAWS. latest details can be found here: http://www.flyrecords.co.uk/